• kn33@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    The point, though, is that none of those are “a salon crashed into my car”

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      2 days ago

      The passive voice, simplistically, makes the object of a clause optional (active voice make the subject optional).

      Active: car crashes (into salon)

      Passive: salon crashed into (by car)

      Your example is swapping the object and subject and changes the meaning.

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        2 days ago

        It’s not a question of active vs passive, just who the actor is. Swapping the actor implicitly swaps blame.

        • Car hits bicyclist (car implied at fault, as with all the examples above).

        • Bicyclist collides with car (bicyclist implied at fault, they must have been doing something that caused them to get hit).

        The assertion made above is that the latter trend is more common, but it was disputed, and the other examples provided in response just follow the first model.

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      3 days ago

      But neither do those articles actively discuss the crash as the driver’s fault, so the commenter is able to have a first-time-in-their-life experience.

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        But neither do those articles actively discuss the crash as the driver’s fault

        That’s because in every one of the given examples it’s painfully obvious the driver is at fault. Those aren’t scenarios where there’s any ambiguity. It’s not a scenario where a car hit someone on a highway, where fault could easily be either direction.

        Driving into a building is clearly caused by the driver of the vehicle. That’s the situation in all of those examples.

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          You sure about that? Many of the close calls I’ve had as both a pedestrian and a cyclist, the car driver seems pretty sure it was my fault.

          In the US, non-drivers are a second thought at best, but probably a nuisance

          For example, crossing the street with all reds, cars stopped all directions, walk light on, in the crosswalk. I didn’t actually hear what the driver who almost hit me yelled but probably something like “get out of the road during bmw priority time”. (Pretty sure she turned left because “already in the intersection” bs that some people use to run red lights - we definitely need a crackdown on people who enter the instersection after the light changes “it was yellow, bro” despite it not being close )

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          Disagree. These articles plainly, on the face of it, blame the car. You can infer whatever you like, but that’s just splitting hairs to avoid acknowledging that they explicitly state that the car did it.