Or because they recognize that optics affect the reception of the message and with America pumping out decades of anti-communist propaganda during and after the cold war, using Marx’s language will get you ignored at best by a lot of people.
I sympathize with this argument, but think that it’s relevance is mostly behind us. People will only believe what they’re told to believe and hate what they’re told to hate as long as they buy in to the ideology, as long as their ruling class provides enough comfort to keep them satisfied and distracted. Now that capitalism is failing to do that, people are explicitly looking for alternatives, and in a time like this it does us no favors to hide. Now is the best time to be an out and proud communist.
So, it’s pretty clear that there is no optics problem in practice. The reality is that liberals are just opposed to socialism because they represent the left wing of fascism.
Meanwhile in the real world, even libertarian cato institute found that communism and socialism are popular among anybody who’s not a fossil who never shows up to vote.
No, only an absolute imbecile would suggest that. My plan is to educate people and do what I can to help organize people outside a rigged political system in order to build an actual worker movement with teeth such as MAS in Bolivia. This starts with building unions, mutual aid groups, tenant organizations, and so on.
Why would people who want socialism vote for people maintaining capitalism? Why would you equate participating in bourgeois elections as an indicator of motivation of all political action?
There’s ~40-50% of US potential voters who don’t vote for various reasons- Living in a state where the results are almost guaranteed, being alienated from politics in general because of the distrust in our government as a whole, leftists who don’t vote but are politically active in other ways, etc. There’s also people who do vote because they feel like they have to vote against the worse choice. If only all this alienation and lesser-evilism and feeling ineffective politically could be siphoned into a mass movement that helps all of us. Capitalism cannot be “fixed” if a group of people who don’t vote suddenly start voting. That’s pure fantasy. But it seems people who believe this would rather hope for a fantasy situation than actually looking at reality and adjusting their strategy to make things better. Otherwise, you’ll just delay necessary change and feel resentment toward people who couldn’t convince you fast enough.
You seem to think that people refuse to vote because they don’t care. If 2024 showed us anything, it’s that people actually care a great deal more than the liberal zionists were expecting, and are willing to exercise their leverage about it.
Those people are already much closer to showing up with a gun than any liberal who thinks that participating in civic rituals are the be-all end-all of political action.
Or because they recognize that optics affect the reception of the message and with America pumping out decades of anti-communist propaganda during and after the cold war, using Marx’s language will get you ignored at best by a lot of people.
I sympathize with this argument, but think that it’s relevance is mostly behind us. People will only believe what they’re told to believe and hate what they’re told to hate as long as they buy in to the ideology, as long as their ruling class provides enough comfort to keep them satisfied and distracted. Now that capitalism is failing to do that, people are explicitly looking for alternatives, and in a time like this it does us no favors to hide. Now is the best time to be an out and proud communist.
Meanwhile in the real world, even libertarian cato institute found that communism and socialism are popular among anybody who’s not a fossil https://www.cato.org/blog/new-poll-nearly-half-americans-dont-know-what-americas-250th-celebrating
Not only that, but the numbers are rising since their poll last year https://www.cato.org/blog/young-americans-socialism-too-much-thats-problem-libertarians-must-fix
So, it’s pretty clear that there is no optics problem in practice. The reality is that liberals are just opposed to socialism because they represent the left wing of fascism.
Because voting has been historically the most effective way to defeat fascism.
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So your plan is to get the people who don’t care enough to vote, to show up with a gun?
No, only an absolute imbecile would suggest that. My plan is to educate people and do what I can to help organize people outside a rigged political system in order to build an actual worker movement with teeth such as MAS in Bolivia. This starts with building unions, mutual aid groups, tenant organizations, and so on.
So again, you can’t get them to vote, but they’re going to mass organize.
“You can’t get them to vote for genocide, but you think you can get them to organize against it?”
Uhhhh yeah man, pretty much
Why would people who want socialism vote for people maintaining capitalism? Why would you equate participating in bourgeois elections as an indicator of motivation of all political action?
There’s ~40-50% of US potential voters who don’t vote for various reasons- Living in a state where the results are almost guaranteed, being alienated from politics in general because of the distrust in our government as a whole, leftists who don’t vote but are politically active in other ways, etc. There’s also people who do vote because they feel like they have to vote against the worse choice. If only all this alienation and lesser-evilism and feeling ineffective politically could be siphoned into a mass movement that helps all of us. Capitalism cannot be “fixed” if a group of people who don’t vote suddenly start voting. That’s pure fantasy. But it seems people who believe this would rather hope for a fantasy situation than actually looking at reality and adjusting their strategy to make things better. Otherwise, you’ll just delay necessary change and feel resentment toward people who couldn’t convince you fast enough.
Somehow people in other countries manage to do it, but I suppose it’s always possible that Americans are a special breed of stupid.
You seem to think that people refuse to vote because they don’t care. If 2024 showed us anything, it’s that people actually care a great deal more than the liberal zionists were expecting, and are willing to exercise their leverage about it.
Those people are already much closer to showing up with a gun than any liberal who thinks that participating in civic rituals are the be-all end-all of political action.
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