Wouldn’t it make more sense to directly use Devuan distribution instead ripping out and replacing systemd from Debian? Users would have a whole community for support, and dedicated developers and maintainers to keep the system work optimally without systemd, while maintaining what Debian makes great.
Off course for study and learning how to get rid of systemd is a great exercise.
Mostly because a) “use this other random distro” is a bit of a hard sell to people (but so is “rip out the rot inside the heart of your system and then patch up everything that was relying on it”, to be fair), and b) we’ve heard shit about the Devuan devs specifically. I can’t remember what that shit was, though, unfortunately. There’s also AntiX but IIRC it doesn’t offer OpenRC as an easy install option, and MX Linux but I can’t remember whether they do or not and I think they also don’t. But AntiX and MX are both good if you like one of the init systems they offer!
I think I also heard that some of the Devuan devs’ work got folded back into upstream Debian, and there’s a debian-init-diversity mailing list now at the very least. So like, just giving up and going “welp Debian is systemd now, can’t do anything about it” doesn’t sound great to me. Gotta have people actually installing other init systems on Debian if you want usability issues with doing that to be fixed!
I wouldn’t put Devuan to a “other random distro” list, and I didn’t heard much bad about it either. But I also wasn’t much into it like you do with your research and providing documentation to achieve that yourself. I personally would probably go Devuan, if I was Debian user and the only thing I would want to change is getting rid of systemd. Unless my further investigation and research finds reasons not to (I did not read anything convincing yet).
And by all means, if someone wants to do it themselves, go for it. You even provide a tutorial / documentation to achieve that. I appreciate and respect that a lot.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to directly use Devuan distribution instead ripping out and replacing systemd from Debian? Users would have a whole community for support, and dedicated developers and maintainers to keep the system work optimally without systemd, while maintaining what Debian makes great.
Off course for study and learning how to get rid of systemd is a great exercise.
Mostly because a) “use this other random distro” is a bit of a hard sell to people (but so is “rip out the rot inside the heart of your system and then patch up everything that was relying on it”, to be fair), and b) we’ve heard shit about the Devuan devs specifically. I can’t remember what that shit was, though, unfortunately. There’s also AntiX but IIRC it doesn’t offer OpenRC as an easy install option, and MX Linux but I can’t remember whether they do or not and I think they also don’t. But AntiX and MX are both good if you like one of the init systems they offer!
I think I also heard that some of the Devuan devs’ work got folded back into upstream Debian, and there’s a debian-init-diversity mailing list now at the very least. So like, just giving up and going “welp Debian is systemd now, can’t do anything about it” doesn’t sound great to me. Gotta have people actually installing other init systems on Debian if you want usability issues with doing that to be fixed!
– Frost
I wouldn’t put Devuan to a “other random distro” list, and I didn’t heard much bad about it either. But I also wasn’t much into it like you do with your research and providing documentation to achieve that yourself. I personally would probably go Devuan, if I was Debian user and the only thing I would want to change is getting rid of systemd. Unless my further investigation and research finds reasons not to (I did not read anything convincing yet).
And by all means, if someone wants to do it themselves, go for it. You even provide a tutorial / documentation to achieve that. I appreciate and respect that a lot.