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You cannot actually be a communist and support a country that allows billionaires.
And it’s not just Lemmy.ml, they have infiltrated every instance. There are probably only a dozen users at best, but they have a hundred alts each.
The most insidious thing is that they know the political leanings of the communities they join and exploit them to push propaganda.
If it’s a piracy community, the easy inroad to make with them is anti-capitalist sentiment. This is effective in no small part because it contains a modicum of truth: big companies do suck, capitalism sucks, etc.
If it’s a social justice or world news community, hammer the Palestinian genocide. Accuse all your critics of being Isreali propaganda. Again, they start with the popular (or rather, populist) stance.
They sow discontent wherever they go, ramping up their messages to blood-boiling hatred. “Capitalist pigs” gets traded out for “Western pigs,” “liberal scum” turns into “democratic scum.” “Isreal” quickly becomes “the Jews, everywhere, without distinction for political belief or religious belief,” which then becomes “all minorities, everyone disrupting the ‘social order,’ threatening the ‘natural’ way of things.” Along the way, they prep you to disregard all your critics as enemies, paid propagandists, imperialists, spies and saboteurs.
Once they get you all riled up, they offer the solution to aaaall your problems: fascist regimes, authoritarian governments, crushing dissent and criticism. They steer you toward Russia and China, because those countries have it all figured out. Nevermind that they are empires themselves.
It’s almost like they’re getting paid for it ;)
Amazing the kind of talent you can find when you offer competitive pay! lmao
Now, if Russia could fire its troll farms and replace them with AI… actually, maybe that’s a bad idea.
You joke but those troll farms are mostly script kiddies doing AI these days.
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There is like 1 tiiiny problem: russia is more capitalist rather than communist country now. So something clearly doesn’t add up.
I don’t think he understands what the word “critically” is supposed to mean in a statement like that.
They uncritically support the Russian federation. They don’t hate the West for what it does. They hate the West because it’s the west. No other reason than that. And they will unflinchingly support Russia or China doing the same things as the West has traditionally done. They are left Maga in the truest sense.
This is why I can’t take any of them seriously. It’s one thing to espouse the virtues of communism, socialism, or the like, but they’re a bunch of dictator supporting fascists who are incapable of critical thinking when it comes to their home team of russia, dprk, china, etc…
That doesn’t mean all of those countries are 100% bad, but the fact they can’t criticize them on the parts they should be criticized about makes it obvious they aren’t serious people.
I’ve offered it before, but any tankies who want a plane ticket to russia on me, let me know… I’m sure they’ll take you for your pro-meat shield abilities. I’ll even throw in some sunflower seeds for you to put in your pockets.
This presumes they aren’t already there, “working” in a propaganda factory.
Not all of them, some are in Israel feeding us Sheitanyahu’s propaganda
Is this surprising?
Yes. Everyone who joins the fediverse has to learn that lemmy.ml is a “communist” Russian propaganda outlet, and it’s surprising to them because Russia isn’t communist and communists don’t support imperial capitalists. It will remain surprising to all new joiners for the foreseeable future.
Every day that someone joins the fediverse is a day that someone will be surprised to learn that lemmy.ml is a Russian propaganda outlet. The day that stops being a surprise, one of two things will have happened: either the propaganda outlet will have closed, or the propagandists will have won.
Yup.
I was about a month into Lemmy before comments made it clear what .ml was. Gotta keep posting so new users know.
Well yes, but OP isn’t exactly new.
People explore the fediverse one piece at a time, and at vastly different rates. I started with lemmy.ml, but I am online to the point where my therapist recommended I cut back, and I consume political news like nicotine, so I think I cottoned on relatively quickly. Even so, it still took me some amount of time before it clicked that I was probably browsing a website run by the FSB. A lot of people only join humor or niche topic comms, and/or they may only browse for a few minutes a day (or week), so it might take them a while, if they ever realize at all.
Not to mention that lurkers always outnumber contributors by at least an order of magnitude.
I started on lemmyworld instead of ml so have never experienced that instance directly, but i imagine due to federation a lot of people might not even realize that its their own instance putting out the propaganda. As long as the instance admins aren’t blocking a ton of other instances, its not like there’s a huge difference between the content that’s served to the user.
Sure. I didn’t say “omg r u stoopid who doesn’t know this?!” did I? I’ve seen OP around enough to be surprised myself at the notion that they may not have encountered tankies.
It doesn’t seem like it was their intention to reprimand you, it’s an open discussion after all.
I didn’t take it that way, I was just answering why someone might be surprised to learn about lemmy.ml even after they’ve been around the block a few times. It’s often taken for granted that beginners will have gaps in their knowledge, but even long-experienced experts will have foundational gaps occasionally that everyone in the domain assumes is universal knowledge. Just the nature of learning about stuff.
Can you say this louder for the Linux community? XD
lol it’s one of the axes I grind everywhere I go. It seems like human nature to believe that expertise is a linear progression and that someone “more expert” should know everything that someone “less expert” knows, plus some. It’s tricky because in casual conversation, that’s likely how it’s going to appear, because experts generally do have a firm grasp of most of the basics. But there are always exceptions, and if you dig deeply and broadly enough, you’ll find them. At least I do, and in many different domains of expertise.
It’s one of the reasons I detest the idea of “the smartest person in the room”, because there’s never such a thing. Good teams don’t just pick one smartie and let them make all the decisions, they work as a team.
Not really, I just document things as I go here for others and to build the megathread even more
