• ikt@aussie.zone
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    99.9% of people are agnostic atheists, so for this argument

    thus Atheism and Religion both make conclusions without evidence

    No they don’t

    While I support freedom of religion, given the harms religion has done over history, I prefer atheism

    So you’re an atheist :) Welcome to the club!

    Sadly you’ll now have to find a tree with an angel on it and replace it with a bunsen burner, those are the rules of the atheism belief system 😅

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      That picture is reductive to the point of misleading. Atheism makes no claims or beliefs. Atheism simply says that claims made without evidence can be dismissed without consideration. Theists claim god(s) exist. Atheism says without evidence I can disregard that claim as nonsense.

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        Atheism makes no claims or beliefs. Atheism simply says that claims made without evidence can be dismissed without consideration.

        You’re thinking empiricism. Atheism is most fundamentally the belief that there is not a god. There are atheist positions that are consistent with empiricism, but not all of them are, nor do they need to be.
        There are gradients to it, but atheism is fundamentally about belief. The rational for that belief is a different set of philosophy.

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          Requiring evidence of a thing before acknowledging its existence isn’t about belief in any way, belief isn’t relevant to facts or evidence. Atheism is not believing in something that has no evidence. Lack of belief isn’t belief. Theological philosophy asserts atheism is as you say, but that’s in the context of theological philosophy. I’m an atheist and I do not believe there are no gods, I do not believe in anything. There’s either evidence of a thing or there isn’t. Theists: there’s a god! Atheists: pics or it didn’t happen.

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        What are you confused about in particular?

        Atheism makes no claims or beliefs

        It depends on your definition of atheist, I mean the picture is right there and right above it is someone explaining the concept further, I don’t know what you gained from vomiting out something directly addressed in my own post and right above it

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          It’s the only definition of atheist. Atheism makes no claims. Theists and anti-theists make claims. Atheism consists entirely and completely of the position that claims made without evidence can be dismissed without consideration. That’s it. That’s all. It’s basic logic.

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      thus Atheism and Religion both make conclusions without evidence

      No they don’t

      What, just trust you bro?

      So you’re an atheist :) Welcome to the club!

      Not cool. I am that which I am, and chose not to say what that is. This is like telling a Jew they’re a Christian because the old testament is heavily cribbed from Jewish texts.

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        This is like telling a Jew they’re a Christian because the old testament is heavily cribbed from Jewish texts.

        Not quite. It’s like telling someone who says they’re Jewish, that Christ was the true savior and son of God, and that he brought a new covenant that comes before the covenant formed with moses that they’re describing Christianity.

        That’s exaggerating the point, but my meaning is that while your beliefs are your’s and it’s rude to correct someone on them, the word used to describe those beliefs can be much more readily discussed.

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        Not cool. I am that which I am, and chose not to say what that is

        If you do not believe in a god, you are an atheist, I’m sorry that offends you but that is literally the definition