• A404@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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    2 months ago

    Also people getting together, organizing to destroy the system is itself a system.

    Yes? We are not anti-system lol.

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          Actually, centralization of management creates a lot of benefits in communication flow, resource allocation and operating efficiency. Lack of centralization results in confusion and task duplication.

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            Lack of centralization results in confusion and task duplication.

            This sounds a communication problem, not a system problem. Decentralized systems are good at adapting to changing environments and are typically harder to destroy. If the complex systems theory side of organisation interests you i would recommend you to check out the desktop regulatory state..

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              This sounds a communication problem, not a system problem.

              Huh? Communication is a system problem? Why would they be separate issues?

              Decentralized systems are good at adapting to changing environments and are typically harder to destroy.

              But slower and prone to error, because the same information has to be conveyed to all members of the system, and if the individual members are not coordinated they take individual action leading to duplication of effort and waste of resources, or worse take the wrong action because they only got part of the information or because they are not restricted to follow orders from other members of the system because no one has any authority over anyone else.

              This decentralized system requires that every member is acting in good faith for the benefit of other members with no self-interest. That is not practical, it will never happen.

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                But slower and prone to error, because the same information has to be conveyed to all members of the system, That may have been an issue back when we used telegraphy. Nowadays information can spread rapidly thanks to the internet.

                This decentralized system requires that every member is acting in good faith for the benefit of other members with no self-interest.

                No? If a member starts acting maliciously then they can be easily just cut out by its peers. In contrast to hierarchical systems where you have to blindly trust those at the top.

                Any cyberneticist would tell you that networks are superior to vertical hierarchies. Dont take my word for it, read up on complex systems theory and see for yourself.

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            I mean, my political interest tends more towards “what’s the best tangible next step forward” rather than “what’s the ideal way to organize society in theory”. But generally speaking, I’d suggest it be organized from the bottom up through confederations of directly democratic bodies like workers’ councils and municipalities, making decisions via consensus and recallable delegates.