I can’t believe a former US marine who joined specifically for Iraq would be violent towards women.

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    The issue with this kind of stuff is history. As a 40 you’re old American, whose grandfather served in World War II, I had no idea what that tattoo meant before this whole scandal.

    The only symbolism we ever went over in school was the flag and swastika. I believe they thought dumb kids would mimic the iconography to look edgy.

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      Yeah, I keep saying this but idiots keep telling me I must have been a dumbass not to recognize it. I told them to show me a single screenshot of this symbol appearing in any media that depicts nazis or WWII and they couldn’t provide one, they just kept deflecting and calling me a dumbass.

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          It’s prolific enough that’s it’s specifically mentioned in that “are we the baddies” video. They’re wearing it too.

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          Yes, we all see so many of those on a day-to-day basis, and photos from the time are such high-def it’s astounding that anyone could miss it!

          (/s, just in case)

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            You asked for “a single screenshot” and claimed people couldn’t produce one, I showed you a whole sketch specifically about the symbol, and now the goalposts have moved to “high definition photos that I personally see on a daily basis.”

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              Okay, so what’s that sketch from? I’ve heard the quote before but I couldn’t tell you what it’s from. I’ve never seen the video, and I’m sure I’m not the only one

              Also, what year did it come out, and was it before Platner got the tattoo? Cause if that’s the only media representation you’re gonna rely on, obscure as it is, it doesn’t help your argument that he knew what it was if it wasn’t even out yet

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                I feel like you didn’t read this:

                You asked for “a single screenshot” and claimed people couldn’t produce one, I showed you a whole sketch specifically about the symbol, and now the goalposts have moved to “high definition photos that I personally see on a daily basis.”

                it doesn’t help your argument that he knew what it was if it wasn’t even out yet

                Where exactly did I make that argument?

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                  Okay, I guess you’re just gonna ignore the entire context of this conversation and call it “moving the goalposts.” Whatever.

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                    I chimed in to correct a false statement that you said and now you’re trying at assign a bunch of bullshit I never said to me. Whatever.

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          Oh great, you’ve proven that there’s a wikipedia article for it. This is proof that anyone who hasn’t already stumbled upon it by chance is clearly a willfully ignorant nazi! /s

          The only reason you’re even linking it now is because we’re already discussing it. My whole point is that hardly anybody knew what this symbol was prior to the discussion around Platner.

          Now find a movie, TV show, book, comic, or video game that depicts that symbol on a nazi. Because that’s what I meant from the start and you know it.

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            Read my other comments. I link this because this is the only real source, and for reference. A German! Wikipedia article.

            No, nobody was an idiot for not seeing this, most Germans would not know that this was a Nazi symbol. And wearing those symbols is illegal here.

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        I fully admit I am not the smartest or best student of history. However I recall no lessons un symbolism in any history class other than ancient Egypt and Neolithic era or late Stone Age.

        Make not mistake I am not supporting any hatred other than towards Nazis. However when I first saw the image I honestly thought it was from Warhammer or something.

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          Yeah, I thought it looked tacky and stupid. I wouldn’t have gotten it myself. But I also didn’t know it was a nazi symbol until I read about it in the context of platner. Never would have guessed.