here we go once again to being fucking embarrassed to be European.
the first try of this made me stop voting altogether because all the fucking parties on my country were a YES. Fuck politicians, hope they all get killed.
genuine question, im not in the EU, how would this affect self hosted/federated E2EE chat services like Matrix and XMPP?
It’s already done Sir. Our private data is again being scanned by US corporations to protect our children.
* to better optimize ads, and to sell AI surveillance to crackpot dictators.
Hey sudden increase of insurance price is just algorithm not that we sold your hashed house photos to the insurance company. There is no shazam for photos right ?
How can they stop me from just doing this: U2FsdGVkX19+NGkQMc6FHt46SCVJ0SWyaPd8zo6lqiZ3V0H+IbR/EKhIt9B+o8Bu
Inform me pls
Some keyboards (e.g. KryptEY) allow you to exchange keys for E2E encryption with your companion and exchange messages encrypted.
How can they stop people from just sending encrypted messages?
“Punish one, educate hundreds” (Mao i guess?)
Throw the book against a couple of cases where encrypted messaging is involved and tell the public “We don’t know what they wrote… COULD BE $DISGUSTING_CONTENT…”
To be fair they do seem to think it would really catch pedophiles; why else would they exclude themselves?
But what would be the point? Nobody’s doing anything about the high-profile pedophiles we already know. And kids have a bunch of other more common needs that are being conveniently ignored. The maths ain’t mathing
No, the way we catch pedophiles is, oh wait, then the battle would be lost
Where will we run when the whole world burns?
under the ocean maybe? return to the sea. the whales did it
Funny how they’re trying so hard to catch pedos not won’t arrest a single motherfucker in the Epstein files
That’s not true; they arrested one!
Only because they really wanted to already. Boo
Also they kinda killed him so he couldn’t talk.
This is about the EU guys, France just took on the case
Oh I mean globally, because the pedo class all have private jets.
Jesus. I’m not in the EU, but how is this the first I’m hearing about this?
Time to go back to email and GnuPG.
yeah i keep thinking, we’re not getting around the law. we have to get around an effective implementation though by using 3rd party platforms, i.e. ones that don’t conform to legal pressure. i keep thinking we need to inform people¹ about ways of secure communication in the absence of big-platform support. i.e. how do we send encrypted messages outside of facebook. we need matrix chat with end-to-end encryption that actually works, does not rely on a central “identity confirmation” service but works end-to-end. So instead of saying “i want to connect to bob@server2.net” and looking up the bob@server2.net public key somewhere, you should ideally get the bob@server2.net public key directly from the other user, if you have the chance to meet them irl. it’s the only way to actually secure end-to-end communication.
[1]: Note. This is very important. do NOT under no circumstances come up with the stupid ridiculous and outright dangerous notion that you’re gonna convince large masses of the population to care about their privacy. there needs to be a bit of elitism in this.
But the central service for those keys is only sharing the public key. Only the recipient can decrypt the message.
The only information it would give out is “this IP downloaded this public key”. Which can easily be covered up with multiple downloads from different IPs. You really only need to do this once per recipient too, once you have the public key you can just always keep a copy.
Shit, if your already using GnuPG, encrypt a file that’s got all your friends public keys. When you need to send a message, decrypt your file and grab the key you need.
Because they’re trying to suppress the public reaction.
You won’t hear about this on prime-time TV news, and it’s even censored on some more popular parts of the internet, like Reddit.
nah i just think that lots of people are tired of hearing about it. since it’s an issue year-over-year, they’re just waiting until we’re getting tired about it. then they’ll sneak it in.
It has been approved, it seems that democracy is dead in the EU.
They’ve waited for MPs to be on vacation too.
There are many alternatives to the world wide web. Familiarize yourself.
How is your comment relevant to Chat Control?
Like what?
You could touch grass
Gopher and Gemini come to mind.
I will never not be the guy in the bottom-right corner
I say, “Arm up and kill authoritarians.” Likelihood is that you’ll also kill lots of pedos at the same time.
That’s not true. Don’t assume you’ll get more than like two before they get you.
Don’t underestimate my 10000 hours in counter strike, half of which was playing as terrorists!
Sure would be nice if we could reform economically instead. Not that I feel bad for the pedos or the tyrants, but a lot of other people will have a very bad time if shit really hits the fan without some sort of economic plan in place.
Shit is going to hit the fan. This is all unsustainable.
the brainwashing of the last 20 years has been incredibly effective at distracting people from everything important. people didn’t talk about the economic situation because all the (looks around) instagram and distraction schemes.
Well, it is quite discouraging, yes. But on the bright side, we still have time to build the systems we need to survive the hardships that are coming. Let me know if you are interested in hearing about my efforts.
Yeah. Sucks we don’t have anarchists building power and survival systems outside state and capital’s control. That would be awfully useful about now.
Can you educate me about anarchists a bit? When you say survival systems, do you mean social systems? Also does anarchism intersect with libertarianism at all?
The reason I ask is that I am building those systems, specifically server software intended to allow groups of people to found their own cooperatives as economic survival mechanisms. It’s a form of democratic socialism, so I don’t know how that squares with your world view.
I suppose if you wanted privacy and decoupling from the dollar you could deal in monero instead, as it will have currency support. I just worry about the power consumption with crypto.
If I ever, ever somehow end up living in a world where it’s not possible to communicate with someone digitally and be completely encrypted, if we get to a point where you MUST put your ID into signal and have the government scan all signal messages, I’ll probably just kill myself.
And take a few politicians with me at the very least.
better idea: communicate irl. and also we need proper end-to-end encrypted chats that exchange public keys from device to device directly (NFC or QR code) (which requires physical meeting).
I don’t know a single person in real life that can maintain a conversation about this. And I keep looking.
You cannot ban cryptography, so the messenger is not the problem. You can control computing hardware tho…
Oh, come on.
You can still DIY shit like Meshtastic
I mean, that’s hardly realistic or useful for most people. Convincing someone to download an app is one thing. Convincing them to build a communication relay is another.
I’ve persuaded a few. It took years and they all hate me now, but I did it.
Been building out a mesh network bit by bit locally. Its pretty cool.
… where it’s not possible to communicate with someone digitally…
I’d be thrilled to go back to that, if what we’re getting now instead is the only other option. But, I grew up in the before-times, so I’m not so put off by the idea.
You’re still getting surveilled in real-life conversations … if anyone in the conversation is stupid enough to bring their phone or other ‘smart’ device (including any modern car).
And they are. They’re all that stupid.
The George Floyd protests in my city were all organized on Facebook.
Part of the reason I dont organize anymore.
You could always get really into steganography
Check out Briar and Meshtastic
Great, teach mesh computing to an elderly relative 10k miles away that can’t even log onto a banking website
I don’t know why you’re being hostile. Options are good, I didn’t ever say that it would fit every scenario.
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I hope you live in DC. Or Florida.
As an american using Proton, shit
Proton is swiss. Switzerland is not EU so they’re not affected
Fuck, my American is showing…
Your inner Cuno is coming out
Proton is swiss, but they moved out data out of Switzerland because laws changed negatively. Not sure where it is now, but eu i believe
Source? Website says they’re in Geneva Switzerland
It was all over the internet last year:
- www.tomsguide.com/computing/vpns/proton-refuses-to-be-held-hostage-by-controversial-swiss-surveillance-law
- www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/is-proton-leaving-switzerland-legal-uncertainty-of-proposed-surveillance-laws-is-pushing-them-to-make-several-changes
- www.heise.de/en/news/Surveillance-Proton-relocates-parts-of-its-infrastructure-from-Switzerland-10538664.html
Great they moved to EU countries
Time has come for moving towards !anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com Politicians be Politicing too much with themselves in mind.
