People really need to get a sense of energy consumption. Someone sitting at home creating a AI version of Mario Kart and distributing it via the Internet uses less energy than Nintendo having its team commuting into an office, producing Discs/carts, shipping them into stores and so on. The amount of energy used here should be less than a single person driving a few hundred kilometers with his car to do another Hobby.
Yes. But think about it this way: if companies are going to use AI to rip us all off, we might as well use it to rip them off too. (No shade at Nintendo who doesn’t resort to AI slop…)
Technically using it means burning stupid Wall Street investors’ money, since none of these AIs are profitable. Using it more would accelerate any potential bankruptcy.
Fair point! Though it does feel a bit like sinking a billionaires yacht, Yeah they are hurt but now the ocean is polluted. And they still have infinite money.
However, decompilation and recompilation are areas that AI could theoretically be extremely effective (due to the fact that much of it is based on educated guesswork in the first place, whether done by humans or not), and being able to turn proprietary software into plausibly “open source” software will be an effective tool for fighting back against big tech corporations (Microsoft, Google, Apple, Adobe, etc.) as well as for preserving classic, beloved software and games.
Listen, I’m as big of a generative AI hater as the next guy, if not bigger. I see myself as much as an artist and musician as a programmer, and I hate big tech for what I can only call the most egregious act of IP theft and cultural strip-mining in human history. It’s plagiarism on an industrial scale. It’s ethically wrong, economically a house of cards, and generally fucking sucks.
But at the same time, machine learning is an effective method of data-driven guessing and pattern recognition. Arguably it is the most effective method, which is why it’s much easier to use ML to make a program for things like image recognition than traditional algorithmic coding. Having recently read Chris Lewis’ blog on the decomp/recomp effort for Snowboard Kids 2 on the N64, it’s clear that LLMs are absolutely not a silver bullet of decompilation (at least, not yet), but it is almost an ideal problem space for what ML really does–guess shit based on a big pool of data.
So, my feeling is, if big tech companies are going to leverage these tools to steal from the people, then I think turnabout is fair play and I look forward to seeing the people leverage these tools for relative good. If people who sell art are going to be pushed out of the market due to slop generators, then it’s only fair for people to reverse engineer any and all of the software that matters in return.
95% of it is people brainstorming to finding new ways to define an out-group and coming up with creative insults to use against them. (The rest is cat pics, thankfully.)
Discrimination is a key ingredient in self-righteous outrage, don’cha’know?
You are quite correct, good sir, madam, or formal non-binary term of intended respect of your choosing.
Tis but a shame the sham shows clearly through the veneer of modern sociability, no true recountenance granted open minds seeking amenable allowance of earnest individuality.
Anyone else wince when they read “using ai”? I like the whole recompiling thing though.
If there is one thing AI is good at it is the ingestion and reformulation of copyrighted materials.
Hot damn, excellent point haha.
Lmao, gottem.
No, not really. That actually is awesome. If AI enables people to do cool stuff like this in their free time, that is great.
Yeah because it’s worth it to contribute to the death of the planet so you can play a snappier version of Mario Kart Wii
People really need to get a sense of energy consumption. Someone sitting at home creating a AI version of Mario Kart and distributing it via the Internet uses less energy than Nintendo having its team commuting into an office, producing Discs/carts, shipping them into stores and so on. The amount of energy used here should be less than a single person driving a few hundred kilometers with his car to do another Hobby.
Look how much I don’t care. It’s crazy.
You are on the internet arguing about this. So I know that you do care
Lol. Sorry, prole, it looks like your angry mob is dissolving… Maybe the AI will get you after all.
Nope, not in the least. Just happy to have the recompile regardless of toolset
Yes. But think about it this way: if companies are going to use AI to rip us all off, we might as well use it to rip them off too. (No shade at Nintendo who doesn’t resort to AI slop…)
Yeah but fighting ai with ai doesn’t get rid of ai.
I hate to break it to you, but we’re never getting rid of AI.
Like how we will forever have trace amounts of cesium and PFAS/microplastics in our blood, AI generated content is going to be around in most things.
The question is will you also use it for good, or just leave it for the bad actors only?
How the fuck is me using it helping anything?
Technically using it means burning stupid Wall Street investors’ money, since none of these AIs are profitable. Using it more would accelerate any potential bankruptcy.
Fair point! Though it does feel a bit like sinking a billionaires yacht, Yeah they are hurt but now the ocean is polluted. And they still have infinite money.
You keep tilting at those windmills, Don. You’ll get them eventually! So long as the ‘monstrous giants’ don’t interfere, of course.
You have any idea how much damage ai is doing to the planet? Probably not cause you sound like an insufferable cunt.
No, sadly it wont.
However, decompilation and recompilation are areas that AI could theoretically be extremely effective (due to the fact that much of it is based on educated guesswork in the first place, whether done by humans or not), and being able to turn proprietary software into plausibly “open source” software will be an effective tool for fighting back against big tech corporations (Microsoft, Google, Apple, Adobe, etc.) as well as for preserving classic, beloved software and games.
Listen, I’m as big of a generative AI hater as the next guy, if not bigger. I see myself as much as an artist and musician as a programmer, and I hate big tech for what I can only call the most egregious act of IP theft and cultural strip-mining in human history. It’s plagiarism on an industrial scale. It’s ethically wrong, economically a house of cards, and generally fucking sucks.
But at the same time, machine learning is an effective method of data-driven guessing and pattern recognition. Arguably it is the most effective method, which is why it’s much easier to use ML to make a program for things like image recognition than traditional algorithmic coding. Having recently read Chris Lewis’ blog on the decomp/recomp effort for Snowboard Kids 2 on the N64, it’s clear that LLMs are absolutely not a silver bullet of decompilation (at least, not yet), but it is almost an ideal problem space for what ML really does–guess shit based on a big pool of data.
So, my feeling is, if big tech companies are going to leverage these tools to steal from the people, then I think turnabout is fair play and I look forward to seeing the people leverage these tools for relative good. If people who sell art are going to be pushed out of the market due to slop generators, then it’s only fair for people to reverse engineer any and all of the software that matters in return.
I winced. AI has a bad reputation.
I don’t like it when they use computers to do stuff…
They use up so much electricity! And they enable piracy. Some of them are even gasp water-cooled! 😱
I winced when I read your comment. I like the responses though.
Enjoy your slop I guess.
You, too! Everyone should enjoy all the slop, of every kind, with no discrimination.
Sir, this is social media.
95% of it is people brainstorming to finding new ways to define an out-group and coming up with creative insults to use against them. (The rest is cat pics, thankfully.)
Discrimination is a key ingredient in self-righteous outrage, don’cha’know?
You are quite correct, good sir, madam, or formal non-binary term of intended respect of your choosing.
Tis but a shame the sham shows clearly through the veneer of modern sociability, no true recountenance granted open minds seeking amenable allowance of earnest individuality.
I should have gone to a Wendy’s.