Yes, anecdotes are poor sources. ‘works on my machine’ ignores that same model motherboards can have different WiFi, Bluetooth, USB, and sound chips. -Plain old common sense for people that can actually discuss tech instead of parrot OS propaganda.
And where are your “not anecdotes” when claiming that people do more tinkering than playing on linux machines?
Using Steam, i click “Install” and “Play” after downloading, same as on any Windows machine. The amount of titles that act up is miniscule and it’s mainly older niche titles nowadays. The only time it gets a little bit more involved is when running pirated copies (if you don’t know what you are doing, and that’s my own problem) or manually modding games (again, a very low barrier that becomes nonexistant when using modding clients, either steam workshop or others), and that’s not the common experience.
I have tested around 15k PC titles on my 5950x with either a 3070ti or an 5070 (many more are waiting, but i am only one guy and don’t have unlimited time), and issues are a rare occurrence - i’d say it’s a little bit more when comparing unpatched cutting edge titles than under windows, but for everything older than 2 months there simply is no difference in compability nowadays (unless noone cares about the game at all, which is rare and often a sign that it isn’t worth playing).
The only title i really had no chance of getting to run when pirated was Omori - because of the very nonstandard way of doing things this game uses. But it works fine when buying it and playing legally, so that’s fine by me.
Edit: I forgot to mention that your “fragmentation” argument completely falls flat when taking into account things like flatpak (har har). I like native more for my gaming environment, but the steam deck i use in parallel shows that flatpak is just as able to do the same things as my desktop. And the times where standard chipsets had grave issues with compatibility under linux are gone, unless you are going out of your way to search for the most obscure laptops.
Oh, i acknowledge there is a place for Windows in corporate settings, and for the people who don’t have any clue about what they are doing. Like i said, I used Windows most of my life. No need to get underhanded if you run out of arguments, just concede.
I read something like this: “'I have tested around 15k PC titles on my 5950x with either a 3070ti or an 5070” and am called ‘underhanded’.
-Poppycock! You’re not going to test games properly at that rate. The frame timing issue with Trail-Out doesn’t occur until late in the game and isn’t anywhere near obvious, until you research it. I spent 2 hours trying to beat an unbeatable time trial (when I was excellent at the game and had been doing the runs better than tutorials showing success). -That issue was only fixed recently by WINE devs (not Proton).
You’re relying on ‘feelings’, ‘emotions’, and personal experience (affected by sunk cost fallacies). You’re not here to discuss tech, but to evangelize. Anything I’ve said is basically a search away to confirm the issue. All you’re doing is handwaving.
The frame timing issue is something that affected many games btw, especially rythm games, but also time trial racing games.
You started insulting me by implying i am a bigot. That was underhanded and neither necessary nor called for.
I have just too much time on my hands for my own good, i concede that much, but i don’t have much else to do. I am a very reclusive person, and since i have been pensioned a few years ago, collecting and playing games has been my main activity, so i play whatever i can get my hands on. I invest more time than most people invest into their jobs.
Frame pacing hasn’t been an issue for me either, but i am someone preferring stable 60/75/90 FPS over unstable 180 FPS; I normally limit my frame rate somewhere between the 10% and a bit below the 1% FPS, depending on game type (TBS doesn’t need perfect pacing); I am also not a fan of Framegen (although limited upscaling can be nice in some cases, where 1440p isn’t buttery smooth)
I don’t finish every game, but that isn’t needed to get a very good overview regarding general compatibility of games on Linux.
An edge case in a single game, like you just mentioned, is NOT an overview. (Especially one with max. 40 players per day in the last months max, which, with the current OS distribution means there is about a single Linux User per day out there.)
And then you whine AFTER the issue has been fixed? Sorry, but that is simply pathetic when taking into account that effectively the whole history of PC gaming has to be verified as working and patched if not, and they are doing a damn good job. Next time instead of bitching report the bug or fix it yourself.
This has nothing to do with “Feelings and Emotions”, except in your case, because you are still whining over something that has already been fixed, and from your report, it was a whole bunch of fixes at once.
Your anecdotes contradict professional tests.
Sources, please.
Don’t bother engaging, mad thumbs is delusionally anti-linux. Their comm is… Interesting to look at.
Yes, anecdotes are poor sources. ‘works on my machine’ ignores that same model motherboards can have different WiFi, Bluetooth, USB, and sound chips. -Plain old common sense for people that can actually discuss tech instead of parrot OS propaganda.
And where are your “not anecdotes” when claiming that people do more tinkering than playing on linux machines?
Using Steam, i click “Install” and “Play” after downloading, same as on any Windows machine. The amount of titles that act up is miniscule and it’s mainly older niche titles nowadays. The only time it gets a little bit more involved is when running pirated copies (if you don’t know what you are doing, and that’s my own problem) or manually modding games (again, a very low barrier that becomes nonexistant when using modding clients, either steam workshop or others), and that’s not the common experience.
I have tested around 15k PC titles on my 5950x with either a 3070ti or an 5070 (many more are waiting, but i am only one guy and don’t have unlimited time), and issues are a rare occurrence - i’d say it’s a little bit more when comparing unpatched cutting edge titles than under windows, but for everything older than 2 months there simply is no difference in compability nowadays (unless noone cares about the game at all, which is rare and often a sign that it isn’t worth playing).
The only title i really had no chance of getting to run when pirated was Omori - because of the very nonstandard way of doing things this game uses. But it works fine when buying it and playing legally, so that’s fine by me.
Edit: I forgot to mention that your “fragmentation” argument completely falls flat when taking into account things like flatpak (har har). I like native more for my gaming environment, but the steam deck i use in parallel shows that flatpak is just as able to do the same things as my desktop. And the times where standard chipsets had grave issues with compatibility under linux are gone, unless you are going out of your way to search for the most obscure laptops.
"And where are your “not anecdotes” when claiming that people do more tinkering than playing on linux machines? "
Ever heard of a search engine or professional reviews? -Sorry forgot LiGNUts are allergic to modern tech or common sense.
Oh, i acknowledge there is a place for Windows in corporate settings, and for the people who don’t have any clue about what they are doing. Like i said, I used Windows most of my life. No need to get underhanded if you run out of arguments, just concede.
I read something like this: “'I have tested around 15k PC titles on my 5950x with either a 3070ti or an 5070” and am called ‘underhanded’.
-Poppycock! You’re not going to test games properly at that rate. The frame timing issue with Trail-Out doesn’t occur until late in the game and isn’t anywhere near obvious, until you research it. I spent 2 hours trying to beat an unbeatable time trial (when I was excellent at the game and had been doing the runs better than tutorials showing success). -That issue was only fixed recently by WINE devs (not Proton).
You’re relying on ‘feelings’, ‘emotions’, and personal experience (affected by sunk cost fallacies). You’re not here to discuss tech, but to evangelize. Anything I’ve said is basically a search away to confirm the issue. All you’re doing is handwaving.
The frame timing issue is something that affected many games btw, especially rythm games, but also time trial racing games.
Implying they cant load a save from late in the game. Why’d you venture outside of your c/linuxsucks comm?
You started insulting me by implying i am a bigot. That was underhanded and neither necessary nor called for.
I have just too much time on my hands for my own good, i concede that much, but i don’t have much else to do. I am a very reclusive person, and since i have been pensioned a few years ago, collecting and playing games has been my main activity, so i play whatever i can get my hands on. I invest more time than most people invest into their jobs.
Frame pacing hasn’t been an issue for me either, but i am someone preferring stable 60/75/90 FPS over unstable 180 FPS; I normally limit my frame rate somewhere between the 10% and a bit below the 1% FPS, depending on game type (TBS doesn’t need perfect pacing); I am also not a fan of Framegen (although limited upscaling can be nice in some cases, where 1440p isn’t buttery smooth)
I don’t finish every game, but that isn’t needed to get a very good overview regarding general compatibility of games on Linux.
An edge case in a single game, like you just mentioned, is NOT an overview. (Especially one with max. 40 players per day in the last months max, which, with the current OS distribution means there is about a single Linux User per day out there.)
And then you whine AFTER the issue has been fixed? Sorry, but that is simply pathetic when taking into account that effectively the whole history of PC gaming has to be verified as working and patched if not, and they are doing a damn good job. Next time instead of bitching report the bug or fix it yourself.
This has nothing to do with “Feelings and Emotions”, except in your case, because you are still whining over something that has already been fixed, and from your report, it was a whole bunch of fixes at once.