Your logic is idiotic and your reading comprehension is lacking. Again, the default winner in every American political race is right wing. Republicans don’t prove anything by winning except that the country has always been right wing and was structured to be right wing. If fewer people vote in total, right wingers get more power. If all people vote, yes, there would be a few more left wing victories like Mamdani, but perfect voter turn out would not stop the right wing machine because, again, it’s structurally designed to be right wing directly in the constitution and voting literally can’t fix that.
You really have no idea what you’re talking about and you’re all over this thread trying to act like the world is the way you say it is and everyone else is wrong, and that your position is the most moral and everyone who disagree with you can’t measure up to your moral standards. You’re a tiresome, myopic, blowhard with poor reasoning and an anemic grasp of the actual facts.
I’ve simply pointed out that the US is where it is because they’ve refused to vote in any numbers, particularly the progressives and that is proven time and again by Republicans doing it and Mamdani just proved it again. They have a 40% Do Not Vote count every election and not all of those, not even the greatest percentage, are people who can’t do it.
I read your shit. It’s just another excuse for national weakness.
That’s the truth: apathy and selfishness, from the group of people in the country who refuse to vote. If they did, the rural count you go on about and hang your argument on (plus your personal criticism of me, which I don’t give a fuck about, you’re a Seppo) wouldn’t matter.
Funny how the arbiters of freedom with their right to have firearms, who have consistently reminded us how free and democratic they are because of it have become such snivelling whingers lashing out at those they told weren’t truly free when the mirror is held up. Getting even nastier when they’re told we don’t want them running to our countries. Looking for excuses and understanding you won’t offer others.
That’s the truth: apathy and selfishness, from the group of people in the country who refuse to vote. If they did, the rural count you go on about and hang your argument on (plus your personal criticism of me, which I don’t give a fuck about, you’re a Seppo) wouldn’t matter.
You’re incorrect. Fundamentally. You don’t know shit about how the American system works. You’re ignorant, and because you’re ignorant you think you’re better than others. Fuck off.
Yep, another claim of know nothing because they can’t cop the mirror, over something proven to them almost every election they have. Two things actually, that voting works and they can get the people in they want. Then personal attacks. It’s all they got.
It’s just another veiled excuse. One they don’t afford other nations. But go hard. Makes no difference to me.
You know, when Biden got elected, I knew a woman from Georgia through socials (a member of quite a prominent family I understand, certainly she had some cash) who, despite being on her death bed worked her arse off getting unenrolled people and those who couldn’t get to a polling booth, to help Biden beat Trump, in Georgia. It took her months of work, she’d tell us every day how many she got enrolled. It was over 1000 people she managed to get to vote. What did Georgia go blue by, a few thousand wasn’t it?
I think about her (I thinks she’s passed now, rest in peace) and what she did, then I see whiny shit like this coming from people on here who are supposed to be the true progressive rebels, not using socials and all that, finding excuses for why they can’t do the same, and knowing how effective the vote is if used properly. If done. That’s a true American right there, not this whiny excuse finding crap.
So yeah I don’t give a shit what you think of me, honestly. I’ve seen the hard workers over there do their shit and how effective it can be. She helped win that election. You’re on here whining and blaming everything else.
What did Georgia go blue by, a few thousand wasn’t it?
And exactly what changed? Biden supplied the weapons for the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians. He changed literally NOTHING about what he and Obama did to DHS and ICE, which is what allowed Trump to use them this way. You know what Biden did? After he and Obama changed the structure, funding, and headcount of DHS and ICE? He did nothing about it in office. He simply chose not to deploy ICE into major cities, knowing full well that he personally created the Presidential power to do so, and that Trump or literally ANY Republican that came into power would do it. He just spent 4 years choosing not to fire the gun. He left it cocked and loaded on the desk, and he was the one who fucking loaded it when he was VP. Trump comes in and picks up the gun and fires it and you want to say the problem is because we didn’t vote hard enough? BIDEN DIDN’T USE THE POWER WE GAVE HIM TO STOP FUCKING ANYTHING
You gotta stop imagining that everything changes when a team wins. It doesn’t. When the Ds win, they don’t stop the Rs. They collaborate with the Rs. They support the Rs. They fund them. They clear a path for them. They establish broad new powers and then the Rs abuse them. THEY ARE ON THE SAME FUCKING TEAM
knowing how effective the vote is if used properly
It’s ONLY effective at changing the captain on the Titanic.
So yeah I don’t give a shit what you think of me, honestly
I know. You don’t care what anyone in the US thinks about you, because you’re right and everyone who disagrees with you is whining.
I’ve seen the hard workers over there do their shit and how effective it can be.
You haven’t seen anyone be effective at what we actually need. We don’t need to elect another D who will literally do nothing to stop the white supremacists and expand presidential power for them. They’ve done it EVERY SINGLE TIME they got into office. Literally. Every single power that Trump uses, the Ds created for him. You don’t know what effective is. You think the voting board is winning. You’re blind.
You’re on here whining and blaming everything else.
I’m giving you the literal historical, material, sociological facts, research by top universities about what is actually happening in the US. You’re the one who stops when CNN says “this district went blue!” You’re an easily entertained surface thinker with absolutely no concept of reality who thinks symbolic victories are the same as actual change.
You weren’t being thrown into camps for a start. You had another shot. Some of you are too miserable to stand up and have a go though.
BIDEN DIDN’T USE THE POWER
So you put Trump back in on a 65% turnout. Great solution.
He simply chose not to deploy ICE
Yeah, that’s what should be done. Not deploy them on the streets.
You want to say…
Nope, I don’t want to say it but it is. I’m not the only one saying it either even if I’m alone here.
You gotta stop imagining that everything changes…
Well I don’t, but see Mamdani.
when the Ds win
Not if they’re the right ones, see Mamdani. This works at all levels too btw, see Republican voters. These points are ones discussed by Americans in the past too, not just my view.
Its only effective at changing the captain on the Titanic
That might actually save the ship if a different decision was made. Since you’re using hypotheticals.
Because you’re right…
Not always, and I wish I was wrong here with a lot of this, because if I was it’d be a vastly different country.
You haven’t seen…
I saw someone work their arse off to stop another consecutive Trump government only to watch non voters help put him back in again.
I’m giving you…research by top universities
No, you’re giving me more excuses. Had the population voted in all or even most of the elections they’ve needed to, including primaries, at somewhere like 75-80%, the country would be a lot different now to what it is. They don’t participate, it’s bred complacency, that’s been exploited by conservatives who do participate over a long period of time and here they are. Of course, there’s more to it, but had people turned out to especially midterms around Obamas time things would be much different now to what they are. At the very least, Israel would be on a leash.
easily entertained surface thinker
As usual, another personal insult because it’s the only level you can deal on. You reflect the shit show you live in.
Your logic is idiotic and your reading comprehension is lacking. Again, the default winner in every American political race is right wing. Republicans don’t prove anything by winning except that the country has always been right wing and was structured to be right wing. If fewer people vote in total, right wingers get more power. If all people vote, yes, there would be a few more left wing victories like Mamdani, but perfect voter turn out would not stop the right wing machine because, again, it’s structurally designed to be right wing directly in the constitution and voting literally can’t fix that.
You really have no idea what you’re talking about and you’re all over this thread trying to act like the world is the way you say it is and everyone else is wrong, and that your position is the most moral and everyone who disagree with you can’t measure up to your moral standards. You’re a tiresome, myopic, blowhard with poor reasoning and an anemic grasp of the actual facts.
Attaboy, play the man again.
I’ve simply pointed out that the US is where it is because they’ve refused to vote in any numbers, particularly the progressives and that is proven time and again by Republicans doing it and Mamdani just proved it again. They have a 40% Do Not Vote count every election and not all of those, not even the greatest percentage, are people who can’t do it.
I read your shit. It’s just another excuse for national weakness.
That’s the truth: apathy and selfishness, from the group of people in the country who refuse to vote. If they did, the rural count you go on about and hang your argument on (plus your personal criticism of me, which I don’t give a fuck about, you’re a Seppo) wouldn’t matter.
Funny how the arbiters of freedom with their right to have firearms, who have consistently reminded us how free and democratic they are because of it have become such snivelling whingers lashing out at those they told weren’t truly free when the mirror is held up. Getting even nastier when they’re told we don’t want them running to our countries. Looking for excuses and understanding you won’t offer others.
You’re incorrect. Fundamentally. You don’t know shit about how the American system works. You’re ignorant, and because you’re ignorant you think you’re better than others. Fuck off.
Yep, another claim of know nothing because they can’t cop the mirror, over something proven to them almost every election they have. Two things actually, that voting works and they can get the people in they want. Then personal attacks. It’s all they got.
It’s just another veiled excuse. One they don’t afford other nations. But go hard. Makes no difference to me.
You know, when Biden got elected, I knew a woman from Georgia through socials (a member of quite a prominent family I understand, certainly she had some cash) who, despite being on her death bed worked her arse off getting unenrolled people and those who couldn’t get to a polling booth, to help Biden beat Trump, in Georgia. It took her months of work, she’d tell us every day how many she got enrolled. It was over 1000 people she managed to get to vote. What did Georgia go blue by, a few thousand wasn’t it?
I think about her (I thinks she’s passed now, rest in peace) and what she did, then I see whiny shit like this coming from people on here who are supposed to be the true progressive rebels, not using socials and all that, finding excuses for why they can’t do the same, and knowing how effective the vote is if used properly. If done. That’s a true American right there, not this whiny excuse finding crap.
So yeah I don’t give a shit what you think of me, honestly. I’ve seen the hard workers over there do their shit and how effective it can be. She helped win that election. You’re on here whining and blaming everything else.
And exactly what changed? Biden supplied the weapons for the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians. He changed literally NOTHING about what he and Obama did to DHS and ICE, which is what allowed Trump to use them this way. You know what Biden did? After he and Obama changed the structure, funding, and headcount of DHS and ICE? He did nothing about it in office. He simply chose not to deploy ICE into major cities, knowing full well that he personally created the Presidential power to do so, and that Trump or literally ANY Republican that came into power would do it. He just spent 4 years choosing not to fire the gun. He left it cocked and loaded on the desk, and he was the one who fucking loaded it when he was VP. Trump comes in and picks up the gun and fires it and you want to say the problem is because we didn’t vote hard enough? BIDEN DIDN’T USE THE POWER WE GAVE HIM TO STOP FUCKING ANYTHING
You gotta stop imagining that everything changes when a team wins. It doesn’t. When the Ds win, they don’t stop the Rs. They collaborate with the Rs. They support the Rs. They fund them. They clear a path for them. They establish broad new powers and then the Rs abuse them. THEY ARE ON THE SAME FUCKING TEAM
It’s ONLY effective at changing the captain on the Titanic.
I know. You don’t care what anyone in the US thinks about you, because you’re right and everyone who disagrees with you is whining.
You haven’t seen anyone be effective at what we actually need. We don’t need to elect another D who will literally do nothing to stop the white supremacists and expand presidential power for them. They’ve done it EVERY SINGLE TIME they got into office. Literally. Every single power that Trump uses, the Ds created for him. You don’t know what effective is. You think the voting board is winning. You’re blind.
I’m giving you the literal historical, material, sociological facts, research by top universities about what is actually happening in the US. You’re the one who stops when CNN says “this district went blue!” You’re an easily entertained surface thinker with absolutely no concept of reality who thinks symbolic victories are the same as actual change.
You weren’t being thrown into camps for a start. You had another shot. Some of you are too miserable to stand up and have a go though.
So you put Trump back in on a 65% turnout. Great solution.
Yeah, that’s what should be done. Not deploy them on the streets.
Nope, I don’t want to say it but it is. I’m not the only one saying it either even if I’m alone here.
Well I don’t, but see Mamdani.
Not if they’re the right ones, see Mamdani. This works at all levels too btw, see Republican voters. These points are ones discussed by Americans in the past too, not just my view.
That might actually save the ship if a different decision was made. Since you’re using hypotheticals.
Not always, and I wish I was wrong here with a lot of this, because if I was it’d be a vastly different country.
I saw someone work their arse off to stop another consecutive Trump government only to watch non voters help put him back in again.
No, you’re giving me more excuses. Had the population voted in all or even most of the elections they’ve needed to, including primaries, at somewhere like 75-80%, the country would be a lot different now to what it is. They don’t participate, it’s bred complacency, that’s been exploited by conservatives who do participate over a long period of time and here they are. Of course, there’s more to it, but had people turned out to especially midterms around Obamas time things would be much different now to what they are. At the very least, Israel would be on a leash.
As usual, another personal insult because it’s the only level you can deal on. You reflect the shit show you live in.