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Buying is renting, pirating is owning
Better line than the “owning, stealing” one. Pirating has never been stealing, anyway, but copyright infringement.
It’s fucked up that this is basically true now
It’s high time laws protected us from this. Yes, even from High Lord Gaben.
If we buy it, we own it. We can transfer them to other account. Any stores selling stuff must have a plan in place for what happens when the store closes, whether that’s transferring ownership to another store, or something involving making files publicly downloadable…
I never built up a CD collection but I now started a digital DRM free local collection. Yes, I am actually buying that stuff (call me stupid if you like) but only loss free.
One of the few disks I own is sadly too corruoted for error free ripping, luckuly I still have it as mp3. That album simply does not wxist online anymore, anywhere. Possibly not even in the darker corners of the net. I think that happens more often than many believe.
Realistically we shouldn’t need laws for this. We should all just vote with our wallets. If we can’t own then you go out of business.
However there should be laws against companies changing the terms of the contract after sale.
The wealthy want you to vote with your wallet, as there is nothing they fear more than “one man, one vote.”
The starving (and recent gutting) of the public domain demonstrates the institution of intellectual property persists in bad faith. Therefore media piracy is a legitimate means to acquire and consume media.
As the C-suite and its political and paramilitary minions have shown us crime is not about behavior and consequences, but who you are and to whom you bend the knee.
Well, aren’t you quaint. Next thing you’ll be asking for is seed corn that you can replant year after year from the corn it grows, heated seats in your cars without a subscription payment, replaceable batteries in your battery powered electronics.
Don’t forget a subscription free garage opener/motor camera.
I think I got the last one of those, but mine did come with a “free” phone app to open/close the door. The app turned into an advertising platform about 3 years after I put the opener in - no options out, gotta see the ads if I want to use my opener via app.
That’s bonkers.
Pihole?
Have one, suppose I could try tweaking filters around whatever it gets its ads from, but the code to present the button to open the door doesn’t show up until after the ads do, so I suspect all my pihole will be able to do is break the app.
What an evil piece of shit
In the world of “fair” - it still has the old battery powered remote buttons to keep in the cars, and the button on the wall, just like openers always have had, but I’m not in my cars or near the button about 2/3 of the time I want to open or close that door - so I just get pissed off specifically at that company every time I use their app. Whatever they get from those ads really can’t be worth that loss of customer good will, can it?
Whatever they get from those ads really can’t be worth that loss of customer good will, can it?
probably most people just silently accept it like good consumers.
did you try installing an old version of the app? or if it works through the network, maybe home assistant could help. but you probably checked that.
Beyond the obvious problem of paying but not owning, it’s impossible to watch/listen without that data being stored on a massive corporation’s server and likely sold to hundreds of advertisers. Last I saw Spotify had over 300 venders they share data with. I’ve seen sites with over 1000.
So you’re not only paying for something you don’t own, but you’re also paying to have a larger profile in the surveillance capitalism machine.
yeah, this is the part that really worries me. Ads are fine IMO, psychological profiling not so much. I used to hear “if you’re not paying, you’re the product,” but now you’re the product even if you are paying.
By the way, are any of the other streaming services better than Spotify for not having your data sold to third parties?
RE “If you’re not paying, you’re the product,” also doesn’t always apply when it comes to not paying EG: Linux and other FOSS products.
Not that I know of, unless self-hosting. I’ve gone back to ripping CDs and sometimes buying DRM-free HQ audio. Probably getting my purchases profiled, but at least I can download it and no one else has to know when, what, & how much I’m listening to.
For easier access I have a Jellyfin server on my home network. I plan to switch to navidrome or similar for a better, dedicated music experience as well as setting up secure access over the internet for me and my friends and family.
have a larger profile in the surveillance capitalism machine.
This is why, when I’m not watching, I’ll set Netflix to stream movies I like.
This hasn’t bothered me at all. I’ve been _Arr_chiving a lot lately.
If buying isn’t owning, then pirating cannot be stealing. These corporations are literally herding people back onto the seas. I need to go get myself a new flag with a skull and bones, since I tied my boat to the pier about fifteen-twenty years ago.
Buying is renting, pirating is owning
Pirating is not and never has been stealing. You do not deprive anyone of anything when you make a copy of something.
Copyright is a dumb as shit system of artificial scarcity and always has been.
Its kinda true. I like to think of gog and gog-games. One is a storefront. One is a clean ui with all the games downloadable for free.
I think many would still use the free one vs paid. Myself, there’s something about owning it.
I pirated doom eternal back in the day. I was enjoying it so much I just bought it instead. 🤷
I get what you’re saying with “copying” vs “stealing”, which is true. But if you could clone your friends car for free you don’t need to buy a car and the business loses a sale.
For digital media, pirating increases the number of sales
The business loses a sale of what though? A copy they never created or had possession of in the first place?
If I go home and build a PC, can Dell claim that I deprived them of a sale of a copy of one of their computers?
doom eternal
back in the day
Oofff, I felt that
Yeah me too lol. I’m also old enough to say back in the day for OG doom too…
So sad that gog-games will be shutting down soon. Are there any plans for forks?
“Pirating” isn’t stealing regardless of anything. It is unsanctioned copying.
And not removing the product from anyone.
I’m stealing this.
No, you’re copying this, and if OP doesn’t allow you to, then you’re pirating this
That’s just it with most of these services - you never bought 'em. You pay a subscription fee each month to use their service.
That is not buying, nor is it ownership.
I mean that’s fair, an actual subscription is different to buying. Nobody is suggesting you “own” the games you get with PS Plus Premium, or the movies you watch on Netflix.
But if I buy a movie on Amazon Video for £9.99, it should be mine. And when I’m bored of it, or find myself suddenly owing £10,000 to a local gangster due to a hilarious mix-up during a backstreet game of high-stakes poker, I should be able to sell it on to somebody else like I can with a disc.
So presumably the problem here is that DRM in the video is causing it to behave like a subscription rather than a purchase?
It sounds to me like you still only rented it (but I’ve never used amazon video stuff - I did get a movie from apple/iTunes once and that was very clear on the time -based limitations).
I searched amazon video and its quite clearly pitching itself as another shitty subscription service.
I think once again this comes down to false expectations (and possibly shitty marketing?)
Amazon is both a subscription and purchasing platform. There’s no option to download them, only stream. Purchases are not tied to a subscription.
So your complaint is that they use the terms ‘buy’ but it’s basically the same as renting, right?
That’s the other part of it. How will you pirate when they no longer sell hardware to us?
Their whole idea is for the production of technology to be exclusive to them and their “AI” datacenters. Besides being used to spy on us and everything we do, think, create, and opine - they will force us into walled gardens on locked down tablets and we will use their software they way they intend for the time they allow us, only.
It’s a prison.
No worries we will always have the hardware. It may not look shiny or new, but we can go to scrape yards and another places to find what we need. And we will build our internet. It be true cyberpunk. Hell with 2 dollar saw blade I can gather some materials needed.
It’s always been hypocrisy. The media companies only say what part you actually own based whatever is most profitable to them.
Technically, back in the day, when you bought any music wether it be 8-track, LP, cassette, or CD, you were purchasing a single-user license for the music and the media was just how the record companies delivered it to you. That’s why Napster and all the piracy that followed it was/is illegal, because you don’t own a license when you copy the digital file.
HOWEVER… Over the many decades I’ve been alive I’ve scratched, twisted, demagnetized, or just plain old lost hundreds of LPs, cassettes, and CDs. Do you think if I requested a new copy of the music that the record companies would send me a replacement?
No, they would not. So I obtained digital replacements by…other means.
Now that we’re all used to digital copies, suddenly that’s been the important part all along.
That’s why if you want to support artists, you can buy the shit locked down files so they get the artist gets paid, and then just never use them. Pay for them but get your actual files from piracy.
Better yet, if the artist has a website or something like Bandcamp buy from there so they actually get a decent chunk of the money you give instead of the pittance left over after the distributors and record companies have taken their cut.
Listen, me hearties…
Aarrggh matey!
Gahhh! You two barnacles best be keeping quiet about the high seas, or it’s the plank for yee!!
Yo ho, all together, hoist the colors high
Heave ho, thieves and beggars
Never shall we die
We are pirates, yar har fiddle me dee
I do, raise the black flag and you can too.
I do! I own CDs and vinyls. I collect mainly CDs because they are smaller and need less storage.
Do you just collect the CDs or do you also play them with a CD player? I feel like it’s not even worth the hassle of getting a system set up to play CDs compared to a record player because the quality won’t be as good.
I’ve got a good couple dozen of CDs I bought over the years when I hadn’t used Spotify yet - moved to self-hosting now - and I was always wondering if I should work on actually playing CDs instead of just burning them
I listen to them on a Sony discman! At the moment I have an old computer speakers with subwoofer, and I don’t care much for the quality. I also use iems which is much better.
The thing I adore is that I pop any cd I like and start cooking without ads. It can be jazz, a funky house cd mix, pop and goes on.
I also have like the feeling of finding hidden gems in record stores. I will spend 2 hours there, searching, doing previews on my phone and then rush home to spin them.\That’s really cool, and I love that you found a new way to enjoy music.
In my case, I just have the CDs in a shelf and don’t ever touch them anymore which is kinda sad. Been thinking about getting a disc drive to digitise the CDs and put the music on my server, but I can get music digitally anyway, so what’s the point is what I’m thinking.
A disc man sounds cool in theory, but in practise I’m not sure I’d like the hassle of changing CDs and using wired headphones. How long did it take you to adjust?
Just to clarify some things: Since Spotify blocked cracked apps, my main goal was to have free music along with my CD collection(which grows slowly). So now days, one day it could be couple CD’s, and the other music from the internet Youtube(FreeTube and NewPiPe), BandCamp, SoundCloud and Qobuz(wink wink). I listen my CD’s at home(sometimes when I commute to work), outside I use my smartphones, which they have MP3’s and HiFi flacc files.
It didn’t took me long, maybe couple months until my collection did actually grow and I would actually listen more frequently.Also regarding hassle changing, it’s less hassle than changing a vinyl! and it has more music in it. 1 hour+.
I would suggest try and see what works best for you! There is nothing wrong ripping and storing them, many people do it. If you end buying a cd player, you could only spin on weekends. It’s up to you! I’m just a romantic guy who likes do stuff the old way, because I don’t really fit on the new world lol.
Thanks for the detailed write-up and the “Qobuz” link - hadn’t heard of that before. Looking forward to them adding API access so I can add the site as an app to my server more easily.
Also I imagine it’s really cool to have that, literal, physical connection to your music. Makes it more tangible and more substantial since you curate what you listen to more so than just via downloads.
I’ll think about what I’ll do with my CDs!
Beyond the “experience”. If you rip the CD into something lossless, it should be audibly the same. Vinyl versus CD. People claim “warmth” difference.
Only way I feel I can push back is by also saving it locally 🏴☠️
I have no fear that Amazon will come to my house and remove the books I bought. If they were DRMed ebooks, on the other hand, that would be something to worry about.
I was always more angry about them editing digital publications after the fact. That’s some Grade A “Ministry of Truth” BS right there. Dead Tree Media forever.
I mean, a Kobo + Anna’s Archive also works without dead trees.
Never forget: Han shot first.
I like the 4K77 versions.
