I find it very strange how windows is somewhat more tolerated than macOS on Lemmy, especially considering how windows is unusable shit, and macOS is actually a pretty decent BSD distro— yet, merely mentioning it gets near-universal ire.
Yes, I know that macOS has its downsides, but Windows has a 10,000 times more problems with it, but discussions of it are tolerated
Edit: I wanna thank everybody for taking part in a very insightful discussion. I believe I’ve gotten my answer, or at least gotten much closer to one.
MacOS is fine. Wouldn’t be as maligned if it existed in a vacuum outside the Apple business model.
Its like buying a Thinkpad new… its crazy for that price, but otherwise everything is excellent. Paying $500 for a once $5000 Thinkpad will change your opinion on the sticker shock.
on my work Mac I have to download a third party app that has to run in the background to disable the Music app from launching when my earbuds connect via Bluetooth. people hate Mac more because they generally force features on you that are just weird, and when i close a window, i want to actually close it.
I’ve been running Macs for 30 years, and I use Bluetooth headphones too, I’ve never had that happen before. There has to be some setting somewhere that’s causing this to happen, and I assure you it’s not on by default.
i couldn’t find any setting, unless my company policies block it. it is a new m4 macbook so maybe it’s a newer thing? if i use my headset for work calls it launches everytime and if it reconnects opens it again. their own forum points users to install notunes via homebrew and set that to run at login. even if this were a setting it doesn’t even make sense for being a default except as a dark pattern to push people into their stack. you can’t even uninstall the music app or default apps.
I assure you, this is not default behavior. I use three different pairs of Bluetooth headphones on my new M4, MacBook Pro, and it does not do this. I’ll dig around and see if I can find the setting which may be stupidly hidden somewhere, and I’ll let you know if I find it. I can definitely understand how this could be extremely annoying.
this thread goes back to 2023, most of what i gathered is play/pause signals will open music if there’s no other media open. and it looked like most of the settings get reset on updates or just don’t work for some. i don’t care too much though its my work machine and gave up trying to fight bad software and just quarantine it so it has as little impact as possible.
Seems like a bug that some people experience. I guess I’m just one of the lucky ones that do not.
I’m very sorry that you experience this.
This is one of the weird quirky things that happens sometimes with Apple stuff – – a small group of people were experience a persistent quirky behavior/bug, and because 95% of people don’t experience it, it will largely go underdressed.
I fully understand and appreciate how such a tiny thing can become an aggressively, huge annoyance.
But something you brought up in your first comment: it generates an entire ecosystem of FOSS (sometimes not, looking at you iStat devs) developers who create fascinating little software projects to deal with these little annoyances and quirks, and almost all of these little software projects are incredibly clever and innovative, and can sometimes be software developers first projects. Over the decades, I have come to lovingly refer to them as “crack developers” because they develop software to fill the cracks in the otherwise “flawless” macOS façade.
Short answer: Contempt. I feel nothing but contempt for Apple and its products. They aren’t evil but they also aren’t good (not the opposite of evil but in the “I think this is worth using” sense).
Long answer: Apple earned their place in my mental category of “polished turd” decades ago with their single button mice and their tendency to pick form over function. Those colourful iMacs back around 2000 were easily the worst computers I’ve ever used, between the mouse that was perfectly round (so you couldn’t tell its rotation without looking at it or at least feeling for the wire), the slowness (simple assignments took forever), and instability (I just avoided using them at all after the nth assignment was lost after an hour of work).
And then they added “trendy walled garden” with the iPhone and serve as a reminder of how many people fall for marketing bullshit with how many people seem to prefer the shittier locked down option while also acting smug about it.
So personally, Mac was labelled irrelevant back during the Win vs Mac wars, before MS really embraced the enshitification and thought they had to make something people wanted to use to sell it rather than do whatever and most people go along because inertia. And now that MS has embraced the enshitification, my own mental model for them is basically “just like Mac except Mac seems like they are trying to be good but just have a very different idea of what ‘good’ is, while MS isn’t even trying to be good and pursue other means of revenue”.
So, the idea of a product they made 25 years ago, not actually the reality of anything they’re doing today… That’s what informs your entire opinion of Apple now?
I get what you’re coming from, I just don’t find that a rational position to hold anymore.
I mean, I don’t disagree with you about those original iMacs, but even back then, they still made some pretty great other computers that were very popular, too. That was just a single product at the time. They also brought UNIX/BSD to the masses with Mac OS X while massively contributing to FOSS projects (and still do).
Again, I’m not denying that Apple has certainly done some terrible things and is a pretty shitty company with their proprietary, bullshit, etc., etc. etc. And I’m liking macOS less and less with each iteration, and my next computer very likely won’t be a Mac for the first time in probably 30 years.
I just find it weird that, between Windows and macOS, one is clearly far better than the other, but macOS gets far more hate here than windows seems to. So much so, that even discussing it is hardly tolerated. but you’ve kind of answered my question a little bit – it’s not macOS itself, it’s how much people hate Apple. But even still, isn’t Microsoft so much worse than Apple?
Maybe it’s for the same reason that red hat and SuSE are rarely spoken of around here: it’s some sort of some sort of same-side betrayal by Apple?
The only acknowledgement I grant macos/ osx and windows is that their decisions are in the desktop environments we use on a Linux system. That’s for good, (and maybe bad.?)
but mac no good :(
we need more Linux :D
I find it very strange how windows is somewhat more tolerated than macOS on Lemmy, especially considering how windows is unusable shit, and macOS is actually a pretty decent BSD distro— yet, merely mentioning it gets near-universal ire.
Yes, I know that macOS has its downsides, but Windows has a 10,000 times more problems with it, but discussions of it are tolerated
Edit: I wanna thank everybody for taking part in a very insightful discussion. I believe I’ve gotten my answer, or at least gotten much closer to one.
MacOS is fine. Wouldn’t be as maligned if it existed in a vacuum outside the Apple business model.
Its like buying a Thinkpad new… its crazy for that price, but otherwise everything is excellent. Paying $500 for a once $5000 Thinkpad will change your opinion on the sticker shock.
See, I’m speaking of macOS separate from Apple hardware, as a piece of software. But I guess most people don’t see those as separate things.
I hadn’t really considered that.
on my work Mac I have to download a third party app that has to run in the background to disable the Music app from launching when my earbuds connect via Bluetooth. people hate Mac more because they generally force features on you that are just weird, and when i close a window, i want to actually close it.
I’ve been running Macs for 30 years, and I use Bluetooth headphones too, I’ve never had that happen before. There has to be some setting somewhere that’s causing this to happen, and I assure you it’s not on by default.
i couldn’t find any setting, unless my company policies block it. it is a new m4 macbook so maybe it’s a newer thing? if i use my headset for work calls it launches everytime and if it reconnects opens it again. their own forum points users to install notunes via homebrew and set that to run at login. even if this were a setting it doesn’t even make sense for being a default except as a dark pattern to push people into their stack. you can’t even uninstall the music app or default apps.
I assure you, this is not default behavior. I use three different pairs of Bluetooth headphones on my new M4, MacBook Pro, and it does not do this. I’ll dig around and see if I can find the setting which may be stupidly hidden somewhere, and I’ll let you know if I find it. I can definitely understand how this could be extremely annoying.
What brand of headphones are you using?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255008235
this thread goes back to 2023, most of what i gathered is play/pause signals will open music if there’s no other media open. and it looked like most of the settings get reset on updates or just don’t work for some. i don’t care too much though its my work machine and gave up trying to fight bad software and just quarantine it so it has as little impact as possible.
Seems like a bug that some people experience. I guess I’m just one of the lucky ones that do not.
I’m very sorry that you experience this.
This is one of the weird quirky things that happens sometimes with Apple stuff – – a small group of people were experience a persistent quirky behavior/bug, and because 95% of people don’t experience it, it will largely go underdressed.
I fully understand and appreciate how such a tiny thing can become an aggressively, huge annoyance.
But something you brought up in your first comment: it generates an entire ecosystem of FOSS (sometimes not, looking at you iStat devs) developers who create fascinating little software projects to deal with these little annoyances and quirks, and almost all of these little software projects are incredibly clever and innovative, and can sometimes be software developers first projects. Over the decades, I have come to lovingly refer to them as “crack developers” because they develop software to fill the cracks in the otherwise “flawless” macOS façade.
Short answer: Contempt. I feel nothing but contempt for Apple and its products. They aren’t evil but they also aren’t good (not the opposite of evil but in the “I think this is worth using” sense).
Long answer: Apple earned their place in my mental category of “polished turd” decades ago with their single button mice and their tendency to pick form over function. Those colourful iMacs back around 2000 were easily the worst computers I’ve ever used, between the mouse that was perfectly round (so you couldn’t tell its rotation without looking at it or at least feeling for the wire), the slowness (simple assignments took forever), and instability (I just avoided using them at all after the nth assignment was lost after an hour of work).
And then they added “trendy walled garden” with the iPhone and serve as a reminder of how many people fall for marketing bullshit with how many people seem to prefer the shittier locked down option while also acting smug about it.
So personally, Mac was labelled irrelevant back during the Win vs Mac wars, before MS really embraced the enshitification and thought they had to make something people wanted to use to sell it rather than do whatever and most people go along because inertia. And now that MS has embraced the enshitification, my own mental model for them is basically “just like Mac except Mac seems like they are trying to be good but just have a very different idea of what ‘good’ is, while MS isn’t even trying to be good and pursue other means of revenue”.
So, the idea of a product they made 25 years ago, not actually the reality of anything they’re doing today… That’s what informs your entire opinion of Apple now?
I get what you’re coming from, I just don’t find that a rational position to hold anymore.
I mean, I don’t disagree with you about those original iMacs, but even back then, they still made some pretty great other computers that were very popular, too. That was just a single product at the time. They also brought UNIX/BSD to the masses with Mac OS X while massively contributing to FOSS projects (and still do).
Again, I’m not denying that Apple has certainly done some terrible things and is a pretty shitty company with their proprietary, bullshit, etc., etc. etc. And I’m liking macOS less and less with each iteration, and my next computer very likely won’t be a Mac for the first time in probably 30 years.
I just find it weird that, between Windows and macOS, one is clearly far better than the other, but macOS gets far more hate here than windows seems to. So much so, that even discussing it is hardly tolerated. but you’ve kind of answered my question a little bit – it’s not macOS itself, it’s how much people hate Apple. But even still, isn’t Microsoft so much worse than Apple?
Maybe it’s for the same reason that red hat and SuSE are rarely spoken of around here: it’s some sort of some sort of same-side betrayal by Apple?
The only acknowledgement I grant macos/ osx and windows is that their decisions are in the desktop environments we use on a Linux system. That’s for good, (and maybe bad.?)
I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that