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Rookie mistake, remove Play Services if you want to limit tracking.
good luck “removing” that while not breaking the system. It so deeply integrates itself that you can’t really remove it even from a lineage os install
Quite easy. Simply remove it. It is not deeply integrated as you say. The Problem is using other apps that depends on Google thus sending data to Google. Is that the case: reconsider your app usage
And most of them still work, just can’t display ads.
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I dislike being bothered if i’m not actively using the device, so that’s a plus for me.
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I don’t have one. GOS
ok, but that’s not what most people on this world use. they are basically stuck with a rom that has google services integrated
Yes but internet exist so they are not stuck if they actually put some effort in. Unfortunately people don’t care the way they should.
most people are not
- technically literate to install a custom rom with a computer’s command prompt
- willing to give up bank apps and sometimes phone based payment
even just considering the first point, it is really not just “some” effort. sure we can do it, but this is a very small bubble.
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Used phones exist. GOS is not the only option either. So basically any phone can be improved with at least lineage.
Counterpoint 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywo-NT8K6B4&t=100
Counterpoint 2 You don’t. I use a bunch of them from different countries and crappy builds. GPay sure , just get a case with a cardholder
counterpoint is 1) about grapheneos, a rom with extremely limited device support, so it is not at all representative of how easy it is to install, and 2) uses a browser tge privacy community advises to steer clear of for good reason.
also the webusb permission is very dangerous, because most people were literally trained by the advertising industry to always click allow and agree mindlessly, so I would not recommend anyone to make use of that, or any browser that supports it. and it is not only dangerous because of the unintended allowings.
in counterpoint 2) you make an assumption as big as portugal, which I also addressed above. lineageos and most other roms won’t pass the Google Approval safetynet check, and lots of apps will refuse to work. banking apps, DRM-based apps like netflix, even some work related apps in my country
GPay sure , just get a case with a cardholder
though I’ll keep that advice in mind
Buy a used pixel in cash, install Graphene. This is probably the best way to accomplish running without google services.
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The reason for pixel has to do with meeting graphene’s specific security and privacy guidelines. You can read them here https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices. I’m not a pixel fan specifically, but I am Graphene fan and I like my privacy and security.
Then maybe Graphene should amend their guidelines to address that not everyone can get that phone, especially after Orange Man tariffs
Maybe that should be the case. But according to them they are unwilling to budge on any of the guidelines as to not sacrifice any of their goals of privacy and security.
Hopefully someday they either support more devices, or preferably more devices meet the guidelines. I personally would like to see devices that are better supported from a repairability point of view, like the fairphone or hmd skyline.
But, none of that changes the fact that if you want to forgo google play services on android in a secure and private way today, a pixel with Graphene is going to be your best bet. What I would like to be, or what I think should be has no bearing on that answer.
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For me it isn’t absolutism. It is about trying to get the most private secure setup I can. Currently, that is Graphene and that required a pixel. If there ever comes a time where another device is supported, preferably one focused on repairability, I will go that way.
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A fork of GOS for EOL devices would be pretty nice I agree , but GOS doesn’t decise phone security, manufacturers do. Any phone with good enough security would be a target device for GOS.
Calyx OS usually run longer on EOL so I would go there before lineage.
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Well . That’s what forks are for. The aim of GOS is not to support a lot of devices. Since it can’t achieve its goals of a reasonable secure device that way. But as I said a fork of GOS would be good , or longer support from calyx. I think I got a year more out of a pixel 3 on calyx OS. But if your goal is maximum security there is no way around the fact that without manufacturers updates and to a certain extent hardware limitations, it won’t be possible to do.
But best would be a good Linux phone so we can move away from Android all together, hope we can see that soon
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Why would I buy brand new when I could provide life to a phone that might otherwise end up in a landfill?
Because no one should give Google any more money! Buying second hand/refurbished is the only way it makes sense for me to get a device by a large corporation like that.
I’ve had a couple of refurbished pixel phones and they’ve each worked well for years. The battery health was at about 95% when I bought them I think.
Lineage by default has no gapps.
that’s true, I meant when you install opengapps to it
Don’t do that :)
you are making choices for others. some apps require it. and then the post was about removing gapps, and my point was that it’s not possible to just uninstall it.
Nope. You want to add them I say don’t do that. Post was not about removing Gapps. Adb commands for uninstalling system apps exist but there is like 10 minute of a learning curve to flash GOS
I don’t want to add them. I want to remove them (if I had such a phone), like the top level comment in this thread says.
Adb commands for uninstalling system apps exist
which in my experience causes bootloops. even App Manager’s recent debloater feature warns of this
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I use stock Android, so I don’t have one too.
I don’t have one…
Use GrapheneOS and don’t have an Ad ID
