I think there needs to be a hornypost com to contain this in the future. That way people who want to see those posts can, but those that don’t can just block a single com. Instead of having to block the same person who remakes their account every month to filter everything they post to not see hornyposts at the top of shitposts.
Just have her make her own comm where she’s admin and can ban people and people can block it if they want.
To me, it’s a breath of fresh air from all the terrible world events and is just a little bit validating. Human, you might say. And even if none of it’s real, it’s nice to see somebody preaching anti-stuffiness and pro-feminism.
Why should the horny posters have to move when they are active, happy, and popular here? If their posts are reaching top frequently, maybe they should stay here, and you can make a pruder shitposting community for your own needs
i find it dissapointing how the nsfw community preaches that consent is key, but at the same time when someone doesn’t consent to being exposed to porn by default then they’re a prude and should make new communities on their own.
the least they could do is tag their nsfw posts as nsfw, which they consistently don’t do.
I find it disappointing how adult content builds communities and spaces, and then conservatives, well-meaning but newer folks, and payment processors work together to make sure the same people that brought the community into existence aren’t welcome anymore. We’re not even talking about porn here, were talking about memes of a horny nature. Moderators have the judgement to enforce tagging NSFW so you can filter it easily in client. Anything beyond that, yes I think you should start your own community, and make rules against horny shitposts there.
last time i saw that user’s profile, all of the posts were sexual. many of them not even really memes. posts about having intercourse with old men, wearing revealing clothes in the club and so on. i don’t think any of them were tagged, so the user themselves doesn’t care and apparently neither do the mods of the communities wherever it was posted to.
no one’s pushing the nsfw users out, just wanting a mechanism for users who don’t want that stuff in the timeline to filter it out. why should people play whack-a-mole with people who don’t tag their horny posts properly and people who keep remaking accounts every other month?
so the user themselves doesn’t care and apparently neither do the mods of the communities wherever it was posted to.
I’m sorry, do you not even know what community this is about? You’re complaining about the moderation here, or wanting horny posters to be in their own comm, but you don’t even know what comm violet was posting in? So you’re sorting by all and complaining…???
does me sorting by all somehow mean that i need to see untagged nsfw by default? as opposed to nsfw posters learning to tag their posts properly and not evading blocks?
No, it means you replying to a thread about moving horny shitposters to a different community didn’t make sense to me. If you’re sorting by all it fully doesn’t matter and just block communities with poor moderation. I was talking about the first reply suggesting making horny shitposters have their own comm. You inserted yourself into that thread implying leaving them here would be a consent violation, but you mean on Lemmy.world in general since you’re sorting by all which is an even more extreme discussion than I was thinking.
isn’t posting untagged nsfw into general/meme communities against respecting consent? some people don’t want sexual stuff on the timeline, yet your solution is that those people are pruders and should leave instead of encouraging nsfw posters to categorize their nsfw media properly.
if the rest of the fediverse can do it then i don’t see why lemmy shouldn’t.
I’m more thinking that an explicit hornyposting community will help increase the quality and quantity of hornyposts, but I guess we’re on the same page as to what should be done
This is a good idea. I don’t really understand why people object to her posts, but it seems to be an ongoing thing so a mutual solution would be good for both parties
I used to entirely disagree with that sentiment, but was seeing a person a couple years ago and we got into a big argument over a local who would regularly walk the neighborhood (extremely liberal area) completely nude. I was all for it, but that partner at the time, wasn’t.
They made the argument that while freedom for everybody is nice and good and important and stuff, it is affecting other people because they’re attracted to it and it’s uncomfortable to just have to deal with horniness in public.
I sympathize with the notion, but am now undecided/conflicted. There’s a LOT of consideration over normativity and fundamental morality structures in this subject that I think most people cannot or just don’t want to entertain as a subject of discussion. Personally, I’m a bit too ADHD to stay on the subject without a rational opposer who would also be dedicated to finding the basis for a conclusion, rather than placing emotional duress in front of everything like most people do.
In this case I would argue that on the web you’re unnaturally often confronted with sexual content, much more than you would be in reality.
However I agree with you, this is kind of a delicate topic. The passive “I want to avoid” can easily be turned into an active “woman should not be allowed to wear short skirts because that is sexually attractive to me” and this is very dangerous thinking. It is diametrical to my own beliefs as I think nobody is allowed to tell anybody else how to dress in public. Your nudity example is of cause pretty extreme.
I am a feminist and an ally, but I am also a man and I struggle with the topic in general. I am easily aroused from visual stimuli, it’s nothing I can prevent. For sure I keep this in my head and I would never stare, catcall or whatever but I sometimes which I wouldn’t be confronted with these stimuli in the outside world, it is distracting.
I haven’t thought this through completely and I find it a very difficult topic to talk about. There are two sides fighting - my liberal world view and my desire to normalize nudity versus a hypersexualized web and pop culture; and I feel avoiding this stuff and blocking NSFW helps me to desensitize, if that makes sense to you.
Wouldn’t blocking anything deemed risque or deviant more sensitize you than DEsensitize you? Or are you implying like a pornography addiction or something?
Either way, I think this subject is VERY much in play in the current culture war we’re in. The normalization of mainstream language now using shame, guilt, “on GOD”, and other European Christianity masculine values like “brother” this and “bro” and “cringe” and stuff. So much of this newfound self help and what should be behavior never really gets looked at deeply, and so much of it is extremely problematic with racist, sexist, and homophobic foundational logic. So when people adapt it, like you say, it becomes a pretty slippery slope to controlling behavior that if you came out and just wanted people to stop, there would be an uprising. But because of these more insidious jumps in logic that people just assume (“naked person in public does affect me”), it becomes this slow decay that eats away at rights.
Basically, I’m saying that we just have to ACTUALLY talk about, as hard as it may be, and we must talk about it HONESTLY and OPENLY. Maybe learning how to discuss topics like these needs to be what education reform focuses more on, so that, you and I are just screwed, but maybe the next generations can be better off, aware of, and protected against giant leaps in worldview logic, and how to address them justly.
Like, I’m pan af and very sex positive, but also think safety and long term happiness for everybody should be the end goal. Let people be people, making drugs or speech illegal doesn’t fix anything, “race” is not a synonym for species or national heritage, attractive or not naked people on the street aren’t hurting anybody, the sexualization of everything actually fixes a lot of problems, and we must keep in mind that morality doesn’t exist in nature and is solely defined by humanity and is basically infinitely fluctuating and differently simultaneously across different people across time and in different places.
But, there has to be an answer to naked-person-having-a-walk-in-public.
I’ll start, with this question:
Does the context in which the decision to do that matter? Does it matter if it was a PROTEST, or, say, a FETISH exhibitionist walk?
Because, if it’s a fetish walk, a lot of people will cry out the “no consent!” thing. But then you have to ask follow up questions about what is sexual, what is public, does it affect you, what does it mean to affect somebody, what the limits of affecting others are, what about acts of violence, how social contracts are implied, who follows, how they’re changed, etc
And if it’s a protest, you basically have to answer the same questions, but just from a second perspective. And I’m sure there’s more I’m not thinking of.
If you’re horny and turned on by someone just walking around naked, that’s a you problem, not a them problem. Nudity isn’t inherently sexual. If anyone thinks it is, I recommend you seek help.
Oversimplifying what, exactly? That naked humans are not inherently sexual?
Do you look at a dog and think “they’re naked, I’d totally fuck that”?
I’m pansexual. I’m attracted to all genders. Even my partner walks around naked in our house and my brain doesn’t immediately go to “I’d fuck you right now”.
Nudity and personally induced intent to attract sexual intention are two VERY different things. And if that is confusing to you, you need help.
I guess I don’t get that because most of my says I’m surrounded by straight / cis men, so an injection of horny reminds me that normal people still exist
I think there needs to be a hornypost com to contain this in the future. That way people who want to see those posts can, but those that don’t can just block a single com. Instead of having to block the same person who remakes their account every month to filter everything they post to not see hornyposts at the top of shitposts.
Just have her make her own comm where she’s admin and can ban people and people can block it if they want.
To me, it’s a breath of fresh air from all the terrible world events and is just a little bit validating. Human, you might say. And even if none of it’s real, it’s nice to see somebody preaching anti-stuffiness and pro-feminism.
Why should the horny posters have to move when they are active, happy, and popular here? If their posts are reaching top frequently, maybe they should stay here, and you can make a pruder shitposting community for your own needs
i find it dissapointing how the nsfw community preaches that consent is key, but at the same time when someone doesn’t consent to being exposed to porn by default then they’re a prude and should make new communities on their own.
the least they could do is tag their nsfw posts as nsfw, which they consistently don’t do.
I find it disappointing how adult content builds communities and spaces, and then conservatives, well-meaning but newer folks, and payment processors work together to make sure the same people that brought the community into existence aren’t welcome anymore. We’re not even talking about porn here, were talking about memes of a horny nature. Moderators have the judgement to enforce tagging NSFW so you can filter it easily in client. Anything beyond that, yes I think you should start your own community, and make rules against horny shitposts there.
last time i saw that user’s profile, all of the posts were sexual. many of them not even really memes. posts about having intercourse with old men, wearing revealing clothes in the club and so on. i don’t think any of them were tagged, so the user themselves doesn’t care and apparently neither do the mods of the communities wherever it was posted to.
no one’s pushing the nsfw users out, just wanting a mechanism for users who don’t want that stuff in the timeline to filter it out. why should people play whack-a-mole with people who don’t tag their horny posts properly and people who keep remaking accounts every other month?
heh.
I’m sorry, do you not even know what community this is about? You’re complaining about the moderation here, or wanting horny posters to be in their own comm, but you don’t even know what comm violet was posting in? So you’re sorting by all and complaining…???
does me sorting by all somehow mean that i need to see untagged nsfw by default? as opposed to nsfw posters learning to tag their posts properly and not evading blocks?
No, it means you replying to a thread about moving horny shitposters to a different community didn’t make sense to me. If you’re sorting by all it fully doesn’t matter and just block communities with poor moderation. I was talking about the first reply suggesting making horny shitposters have their own comm. You inserted yourself into that thread implying leaving them here would be a consent violation, but you mean on Lemmy.world in general since you’re sorting by all which is an even more extreme discussion than I was thinking.
isn’t posting untagged nsfw into general/meme communities against respecting consent? some people don’t want sexual stuff on the timeline, yet your solution is that those people are pruders and should leave instead of encouraging nsfw posters to categorize their nsfw media properly.
if the rest of the fediverse can do it then i don’t see why lemmy shouldn’t.
Archival reasons
Shucksposting.
I’m more thinking that an explicit hornyposting community will help increase the quality and quantity of hornyposts, but I guess we’re on the same page as to what should be done
Agree and fully support the hornyposting com should they decide to make one.
Just make her the mod of it and let’s watch the fun
This is a good idea. I don’t really understand why people object to her posts, but it seems to be an ongoing thing so a mutual solution would be good for both parties
I just don’t want to be confronted with sex at random times a day. There is enough random horniness in my life.
I used to entirely disagree with that sentiment, but was seeing a person a couple years ago and we got into a big argument over a local who would regularly walk the neighborhood (extremely liberal area) completely nude. I was all for it, but that partner at the time, wasn’t.
They made the argument that while freedom for everybody is nice and good and important and stuff, it is affecting other people because they’re attracted to it and it’s uncomfortable to just have to deal with horniness in public.
I sympathize with the notion, but am now undecided/conflicted. There’s a LOT of consideration over normativity and fundamental morality structures in this subject that I think most people cannot or just don’t want to entertain as a subject of discussion. Personally, I’m a bit too ADHD to stay on the subject without a rational opposer who would also be dedicated to finding the basis for a conclusion, rather than placing emotional duress in front of everything like most people do.
In this case I would argue that on the web you’re unnaturally often confronted with sexual content, much more than you would be in reality.
However I agree with you, this is kind of a delicate topic. The passive “I want to avoid” can easily be turned into an active “woman should not be allowed to wear short skirts because that is sexually attractive to me” and this is very dangerous thinking. It is diametrical to my own beliefs as I think nobody is allowed to tell anybody else how to dress in public. Your nudity example is of cause pretty extreme.
I am a feminist and an ally, but I am also a man and I struggle with the topic in general. I am easily aroused from visual stimuli, it’s nothing I can prevent. For sure I keep this in my head and I would never stare, catcall or whatever but I sometimes which I wouldn’t be confronted with these stimuli in the outside world, it is distracting.
I haven’t thought this through completely and I find it a very difficult topic to talk about. There are two sides fighting - my liberal world view and my desire to normalize nudity versus a hypersexualized web and pop culture; and I feel avoiding this stuff and blocking NSFW helps me to desensitize, if that makes sense to you.
Wouldn’t blocking anything deemed risque or deviant more sensitize you than DEsensitize you? Or are you implying like a pornography addiction or something?
Either way, I think this subject is VERY much in play in the current culture war we’re in. The normalization of mainstream language now using shame, guilt, “on GOD”, and other European Christianity masculine values like “brother” this and “bro” and “cringe” and stuff. So much of this newfound self help and what should be behavior never really gets looked at deeply, and so much of it is extremely problematic with racist, sexist, and homophobic foundational logic. So when people adapt it, like you say, it becomes a pretty slippery slope to controlling behavior that if you came out and just wanted people to stop, there would be an uprising. But because of these more insidious jumps in logic that people just assume (“naked person in public does affect me”), it becomes this slow decay that eats away at rights.
Basically, I’m saying that we just have to ACTUALLY talk about, as hard as it may be, and we must talk about it HONESTLY and OPENLY. Maybe learning how to discuss topics like these needs to be what education reform focuses more on, so that, you and I are just screwed, but maybe the next generations can be better off, aware of, and protected against giant leaps in worldview logic, and how to address them justly.
Like, I’m pan af and very sex positive, but also think safety and long term happiness for everybody should be the end goal. Let people be people, making drugs or speech illegal doesn’t fix anything, “race” is not a synonym for species or national heritage, attractive or not naked people on the street aren’t hurting anybody, the sexualization of everything actually fixes a lot of problems, and we must keep in mind that morality doesn’t exist in nature and is solely defined by humanity and is basically infinitely fluctuating and differently simultaneously across different people across time and in different places.
But, there has to be an answer to naked-person-having-a-walk-in-public.
I’ll start, with this question:
Does the context in which the decision to do that matter? Does it matter if it was a PROTEST, or, say, a FETISH exhibitionist walk?
Because, if it’s a fetish walk, a lot of people will cry out the “no consent!” thing. But then you have to ask follow up questions about what is sexual, what is public, does it affect you, what does it mean to affect somebody, what the limits of affecting others are, what about acts of violence, how social contracts are implied, who follows, how they’re changed, etc
And if it’s a protest, you basically have to answer the same questions, but just from a second perspective. And I’m sure there’s more I’m not thinking of.
If you’re horny and turned on by someone just walking around naked, that’s a you problem, not a them problem. Nudity isn’t inherently sexual. If anyone thinks it is, I recommend you seek help.
I think that’s over simplifying it pretty significantly
Oversimplifying what, exactly? That naked humans are not inherently sexual?
Do you look at a dog and think “they’re naked, I’d totally fuck that”?
I’m pansexual. I’m attracted to all genders. Even my partner walks around naked in our house and my brain doesn’t immediately go to “I’d fuck you right now”.
Nudity and personally induced intent to attract sexual intention are two VERY different things. And if that is confusing to you, you need help.
Fair enough.
I guess I don’t get that because most of my says I’m surrounded by straight / cis men, so an injection of horny reminds me that normal people still exist