There is one thing about the Frame: Its not a general purpose computer like a Steam Machine, and therefore Valve can subsidize it a bit. Maybe? I expect that most Steam Frame customers would play Steam games on it.
It actually is a general purpose ARM PC. Valve says you’ll be able to put any compatible ARM OS you want on the thing (probably just different Linux distros, maybe someone will port LineageOS eventually also), and it comes with a KDE desktop mode like the Deck.
Nobody argues that it isn’t. Let me frame it differently: A sports car is a general purpose car, because it does all what a car has to do. But it is extremely expensive and designed to win races. Instead you could get a car, that is designed to do general purpose stuff like a normal city car. I hope this clears up what I was trying to say.
Yes, but its not as suitable for a general purpose computer like a PC. Its HUGE difference. Anyone want to buy Steam Frame for general purpose computing is better off buying a normal computer (or even Steam Machine), as it is cheaper and x86 based. Well see how powerful that thing is.
I disagree, with proper Linux and a VR desktop mode interface, this thing could end up being a great general purpose VR computer, sort of like what the Apple Vision Pro was trying to do, except not stupid (locked down, proprietary OS, unhinged price, etc.).
That is not what I’m arguing. I think you guys didn’t understand what I was saying. Companies would not buy a Steam Frame to do normal work on it, because it is not powerful and cheap enough to justify it. The problem with the Steam Machine was, it was just a normal X86 computer when you slap a different operating system on it. If Valve was subsidizing the price, then no one in their right mind would buy a different computer and go straight for the Steam Machine. That means Valve would lose money on each machine.
And that’s the point. This could be done with Steam Frame, because it cannot replace a normal desktop PC. If you buy a VR headset, then you most likely will use it for VR. And most likely to play Steam games on it, just like the Steam Deck is used mostly to play Steam games, even if the architecture is a general purpose computing device. In that case the price could be subsidized a little bit.
Note: I am NOT arguing you cannot general computing stuff with it. I am arguing that anyone buying Steam Frame does not with the intention to do that only. Most likely anyone purchasing Steam Frame wants to play virtual reality games on Steam. Steam Frame is NOT a perfect candidate for wide variety of uses cases.
A mobile device you put on your head, with ARM architecture is not the perfect device to do general computing only. Anyone buying a Steam Machine could happily ignore the Steam store and do normal PC stuff with it. So that’s why Valve did not subsidize the price. But Steam Frame is not like that. If someone wants to do general computing ONLY, then this is not a device for it. It would be cumbersome to work with, probably underpowered for its price and in general the CPU architecture is not ideal for that.
Compare this to Steam Machine. If the Machine was subsidized by Valve, then it would be cheaper than a comparable PC. In that case any company or other users would buy it to use it without Steam. In which case Valve would lose money on every single hardware.
Honestly, a GrapheneOS or LineageOS phone is a perfectly fine general purpose PC (excluding OEM android because fuck Google Play Services). You can plug it into a keyboard and monitor, enable desktop mode, and use it like a PC. ARM is more than usable for basically all the software most people would ever want to run. The Steam Frame will probably be significantly more powerful than a Google Pixel or whatever, and therefore even more usable.
Nobody argues it isn’t. I think the Steam Frame would fall into a category of Steam Deck, which is even more of a general purpose computer. That’s why it was so cheap, because most people buying it end up playing games on Steam and Valve will profit. But with Steam Machine in example Valve could not compete on price, otherwise they would lose money on each sold Machine without anyone need to use the Steam store.
There is a huge difference of specialized hardware and software like Steam Frame and Steam Deck, compared to a general desktop PC like a Steam Machine.
There is one thing about the Frame: Its not a general purpose computer like a Steam Machine, and therefore Valve can subsidize it a bit. Maybe? I expect that most Steam Frame customers would play Steam games on it.
It actually is a general purpose ARM PC. Valve says you’ll be able to put any compatible ARM OS you want on the thing (probably just different Linux distros, maybe someone will port LineageOS eventually also), and it comes with a KDE desktop mode like the Deck.
Nobody argues that it isn’t. Let me frame it differently: A sports car is a general purpose car, because it does all what a car has to do. But it is extremely expensive and designed to win races. Instead you could get a car, that is designed to do general purpose stuff like a normal city car. I hope this clears up what I was trying to say.
Well, it actually is. Like the Deck you are free to install your own OS. Apparently there is already an Arch build available.
Yes, but its not as suitable for a general purpose computer like a PC. Its HUGE difference. Anyone want to buy Steam Frame for general purpose computing is better off buying a normal computer (or even Steam Machine), as it is cheaper and x86 based. Well see how powerful that thing is.
I disagree, with proper Linux and a VR desktop mode interface, this thing could end up being a great general purpose VR computer, sort of like what the Apple Vision Pro was trying to do, except not stupid (locked down, proprietary OS, unhinged price, etc.).
That is not what I’m arguing. I think you guys didn’t understand what I was saying. Companies would not buy a Steam Frame to do normal work on it, because it is not powerful and cheap enough to justify it. The problem with the Steam Machine was, it was just a normal X86 computer when you slap a different operating system on it. If Valve was subsidizing the price, then no one in their right mind would buy a different computer and go straight for the Steam Machine. That means Valve would lose money on each machine.
And that’s the point. This could be done with Steam Frame, because it cannot replace a normal desktop PC. If you buy a VR headset, then you most likely will use it for VR. And most likely to play Steam games on it, just like the Steam Deck is used mostly to play Steam games, even if the architecture is a general purpose computing device. In that case the price could be subsidized a little bit.
Being an open platform makes a perfect candidate for a wide variety of use cases that are not gaming, including general computing.
Note: I am NOT arguing you cannot general computing stuff with it. I am arguing that anyone buying Steam Frame does not with the intention to do that only. Most likely anyone purchasing Steam Frame wants to play virtual reality games on Steam. Steam Frame is NOT a perfect candidate for wide variety of uses cases.
A mobile device you put on your head, with ARM architecture is not the perfect device to do general computing only. Anyone buying a Steam Machine could happily ignore the Steam store and do normal PC stuff with it. So that’s why Valve did not subsidize the price. But Steam Frame is not like that. If someone wants to do general computing ONLY, then this is not a device for it. It would be cumbersome to work with, probably underpowered for its price and in general the CPU architecture is not ideal for that.
Compare this to Steam Machine. If the Machine was subsidized by Valve, then it would be cheaper than a comparable PC. In that case any company or other users would buy it to use it without Steam. In which case Valve would lose money on every single hardware.
Honestly, a GrapheneOS or LineageOS phone is a perfectly fine general purpose PC (excluding OEM android because fuck Google Play Services). You can plug it into a keyboard and monitor, enable desktop mode, and use it like a PC. ARM is more than usable for basically all the software most people would ever want to run. The Steam Frame will probably be significantly more powerful than a Google Pixel or whatever, and therefore even more usable.
Nobody argues it isn’t. I think the Steam Frame would fall into a category of Steam Deck, which is even more of a general purpose computer. That’s why it was so cheap, because most people buying it end up playing games on Steam and Valve will profit. But with Steam Machine in example Valve could not compete on price, otherwise they would lose money on each sold Machine without anyone need to use the Steam store.
There is a huge difference of specialized hardware and software like Steam Frame and Steam Deck, compared to a general desktop PC like a Steam Machine.