• Gazza_of_the_Overflow@piefed.social
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    2 days ago

    Reforms that are needed:

    1. Compulsory voting for all citizens
    2. Ranked choice voting system
    3. Age limits for politicians

    I’m sure there are more, but this is just off the top of my head.

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      2 days ago

      Plenty of countries have laws that fine or otherwise punish people that do not vote, afaik this doesn’t tend to lead to better functioning democracies. I think this is a thing where the carrot works better than the stick.

    • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago
      1. I’d be less oppose if it’s accompanied with NOTA options.
      2. What if A gets 26% of the vote, B gets 25%, C gets 24%, D gets 15%, and E gets 10%?
      3. What should be the age limit for US Presidents? and should the 35 be lowered to 18? Ditto for US VPs?
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        What if A gets 26% of the vote, B gets 25%, C gets 24%, D gets 15%, and E gets 10%?

        The standard method of ranked choice voting: E gets eliminated as they have the least, everyone who voted for them goes to their next ranked choice. Repeat until one person has over 50%.

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          Please forgive any ignorance on my part, but would it be required that we’d know what the 2nd (and 3rd and 4th and so on) preferences of those who voted for E in the first choice?

          If so, and if such could be done, what if of those who voted for E on their first choice, in their second preference, half of them (i.e. half of 10% being 5%) voted for C, a third of them voted for B, and a sixth of them voted for A;

          meanwhile two-thirds of those who voted in their first preference for A, half of those who voted in their first preference for B, and a third of those who voted in their first preference for C, voted for D in their 2nd preference? —i.e. (⅔ x 26%) + (½ x 25%) + (⅓ x 24%) = 16⅔% + 12½% + 8% = 36⅚%.

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            Please forgive any ignorance on my part, but would it be required that we’d know what the 2nd (and 3rd and 4th and so on) preferences of those who voted for E in the first choice?

            Yes. Please look up “How ranked choice voting works” instead of asking randos on social media to explain it to you. The information is readily available.

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              wp:Ranked voting

              (my bold)

              Ranked voting is any voting system that uses voters’ rankings of candidates to choose a single winner or multiple winners. More formally, a ranked vote system depends only on voters’ order of preference of the candidates.

              Ranked voting systems vary dramatically in how preferences are tabulated and counted. This gives them different properties with respect to satisfying various voting groups and adherence to mathematical rules.

              Some ranked vote systems do not use ranking to transfer votes but instead use ranks as weights. These systems are called positional voting. In the Borda method, the least-favored candidates on each ballot receive fewer points; the most-favored receive more points. The points on each ballot for each candidate are added together, and the candidate with the most points is elected.

              • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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                Glad you were able to find the answers on your own for the potential options.

                Seeing as Lemmy is not in charge of implementing it I didn’t see the point of having Randos argue over which specific version of ranked choice voting to use, as I’m sure we can all agree that any version is better than what is currently being used.

                • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
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                  Glad you were able to find the answers on your own for the potential options.

                  I didn’t find “the answers” just some info about it.

                  as I’m sure we can all agree that any version is better than what is currently being used.

                  I’m not so sure of that. Please be more specific in the type ranked choice voting system you’d favor.

                  I suppose I rather half a parliament (or similar) be decided by proportional representation, and in the others, perhaps it’s a run-off if the winner of a plurality doesn’t get a majority.

                  The one you suggested I suppose is okay too. 😁 🙂

                  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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                    18 hours ago

                    Please be more specific in the type ranked choice voting system you’d favor.

                    any version is better than what is currently being used

                    also

                    I didn’t see the point of having Randos argue over which specific version of ranked choice voting to use