Not them, but having read this entire thread, what contra points?
Other than that, I haven’t seen much in this thread.
I see a few points of how Frances configuration for cooling may not be good, but that’s not an unsolvable problem?
At least more solvable than the energy storage problem.
Physicist, not an engineer.
You need baseline and demand power.
Renewables like wind and solar are great for demand. As they provide power typically when usuage is peaking. But those power outputs drop when its needed most, so you still need baseline power.
Nuclear power is great at baseline, but because it takes a lot to ramp power up and down, isnt great to handle peak loads.
Notice the team up here?
Why is it always renewables or nuclear. Both have their places.
This solves the energy storage problems as well. Less of a need for batteries with rare earth metals that are… Finite.
Nuclear and renewables are not good together. You can’t adjust the output of Nuclear to the up and downs of renewables. Nuclear is a lot more expensive than Renewables. So Nuclear have always to be running, which makes the price go up. You can’t build more renewables to make the price go down if you have Nuclear running.
The cheapest way is to have renewables produce energy and store it in batteries.
I am just providing the contra points you did not notice earlier. I am not here to defend them.
We could talk about the new infrastructure size sodium ion batteries which use only the most available elements. But again, i am not here to discuss, just to show you that you missed the points in the original comment.
Not them, but having read this entire thread, what contra points?
Other than that, I haven’t seen much in this thread.
I see a few points of how Frances configuration for cooling may not be good, but that’s not an unsolvable problem?
At least more solvable than the energy storage problem.
Physicist, not an engineer.
You need baseline and demand power.
Renewables like wind and solar are great for demand. As they provide power typically when usuage is peaking. But those power outputs drop when its needed most, so you still need baseline power.
Nuclear power is great at baseline, but because it takes a lot to ramp power up and down, isnt great to handle peak loads.
Notice the team up here?
Why is it always renewables or nuclear. Both have their places.
This solves the energy storage problems as well. Less of a need for batteries with rare earth metals that are… Finite.
Nuclear and renewables are not good together. You can’t adjust the output of Nuclear to the up and downs of renewables. Nuclear is a lot more expensive than Renewables. So Nuclear have always to be running, which makes the price go up. You can’t build more renewables to make the price go down if you have Nuclear running.
The cheapest way is to have renewables produce energy and store it in batteries.
Out of what, large scale, battery is available?
I haven’t seen one yet. Tons of prospects, none deployable on the size of say, the north american grid.
For example the biggest Battery Storage in germany is happening this year https://www.diesachsen.de/en/economy/germanys-largest-battery-storage-facility-launches-near-leuna-3169138
And we will see more and more of projects like these in the next years.
Like even Texas is investing into Renewables + Battery Storage. Even they get it
https://www.cleanview.co/power-projects/operating/battery-storage-projects/texas
https://www.cleanview.co/power-projects/planned/battery-storage-projects/texas
From OG comment, contra points, formatted in a bulleted list:
Gonna need a source on the age of cheap batteries.
All large scale batteries are chack full of rare earth metals, which are not named for their famous availability.
I am just providing the contra points you did not notice earlier. I am not here to defend them.
We could talk about the new infrastructure size sodium ion batteries which use only the most available elements. But again, i am not here to discuss, just to show you that you missed the points in the original comment.
I mean sure.
But I’ll also point out the comment wasn’t there wasn’t any reason, but a logically sound one.
Hence why I said its not logically sound to say era of cheap battery storage, because thats not our current reality.
So sure, there’s other points, but none worth discussing?