The amount of physical resources used by AI is hilariously small. These chips are fucking tiny. The largest metal use is the heat spreader, which is just a chunk of aluminum that could be instantly recycled. The “special” metals they use up take less than a gram total per card. All of it is recyclable if those resources become difficult to extract naturally for some reason.
Your take on AI being used to produce fascist slop is amusing, but irrelevant. You could ban every datacenter in Canada and the US, and AI would still be used by bad people to hurt you. I can run lighter models on any computer at this point, and top of the line models like Kimi K3 can be run on a set up that costs less than a car. You can’t stop that short of turning off the internet entirely.
The correct method to addressing the issue of fascist slop isn’t stopping AI from being built, it’s to change the situation in which that is possible. Fascism has existed for all of human history. Education is the correct method to stop it spreading.
The amount of resources is huge. We’re not just talking about electricity. We’re talking agricultural farm land that’s being bought up in huge swaths to build these data centers. We’re talking building materials. We’re talking all the raw materials needed to build the computer parts themselves. They’re phenominally huge.
And the fascist slop they’re talking about is how the largest service providers of AI are manipulating their models to give false information, and even twist it to reflect a certain pro-capitalism and pro-fascist narrative. We’re not talking about some dude creating a model for whatever malicious intent for personal use. We’re talking models being used by the greater public, consuming the information they are given as fact, when in fact that information is manipulated to skew public opinion.
Also, for the record, when people are talking about “AI”, they’re talking about ChatGPT, Copilot, Grok, Gemini, Claude, etc. The major service providers.
Otherwise AI is a godsend for many fields, including science and medicine and other kinds of important research. It should never have been created by stealing copyrighted material, by going through Reddit and Twitter archives full of memes, bullshit, sarcasm and lies and then made accessible to the greater public.
But now these companies are trying to commodify intelligence and they’re using their billions to influence governments to force this shit on everyone.
I never needed AI in my life. And the little I have used it, gave me godawful results. And in the meantime, the data centers running all this are wreaking ecological havoc.
Otherwise AI is a godsend for many fields, including science and medicine and other kinds of important research.
That’s debatable. There has not been a breakthrough using this technology yet and I have yet to see it as transformational in biomedical research, even though I published three papers now based on AI tools.
Having AI tools in biomedical research is utterly pointless when the US killed most research when Trump killed the NIH, and that spending was 80% of the world’s spending in diseases research and other countries have done nothing to fill that gap.
The concept that AI will quickly produce a safe, effective drug that works for any disease is pure science fiction.
Otherwise AI is a godsend for many fields, including science and medicine and other kinds of important research.
and your response started with
That’s debatable. There has not been a breakthrough using this technology yet
Last I checked, Chemistry is a science.
You’re now trying to shift the goalposts.
Global warming is a huge issue, but stopping AI will not materially affect that when we haven’t solved the problems that are ACTUALLY causing global warming.
Again, I really don’t think you get the scale of things here. Do some math before you spout off.
Datacenter land isn’t even a rounding error in the amount of farmland we have. “Huge swaths” for a mega datacenter means a number measured in hundreds of acres. Alberta alone has 50 million farm acres. Lets go crazy with the numbers and say that every mega datacenter is 1000 acres they wanted to build 10 of the things (There aren’t even 10 total planned in the world right now, so that’s not happening). That’s 5000 acres, or 0.01% of the farmland in Alberta.
That is not even worth discussing.
As for your fascist slop arguments, that’s just patently stupid unless you also put humans in the same category. You (through both traditional and social media) are being fed intentional bullshit continuously. You can get the AI to say or do pretty much anything you want, asking it for a recipe with some ingredients in your fridge isn’t going to be pushing some sort of pro-Israel standpoint into your response. It’s no worse than the textbooks we use at a schools in terms of how it approaches certain topics. The only real exception to that is some of the Chinese models refusing to say negative things about the Chinese government, and that’s a well known factor that can be accounted for. This is not a conspiracy against you, it’s ridiculously easy to test for bias in AI and then account for it in your use.
The thing people don’t realize about AI (when they’re referring to ChatGPT, Copilot, Claude, Gemini, etc.) is that basic chat with these models are not what the datacenters are for. We already have enough capacity for your average person to ask them recipe questions and to come up with wording for a birthday card. These datacenters are for the business uses of AI in harnesses looping to complete complex tasks, especially in programming.
Nobody is forcing you to use it personally. I don’t understand this argument.
Businesses WILL use it to make more money because it is beneficial. You could try to avoid buying products and services from companies that use it, but you likely don’t have any choice in that matter since it’s being used almost everywhere already. Even if they aren’t using it to respond to customer emails or answer the phone they’re likely using it in their planning, documentation, or even integrated into their accounting software because it saves them money. Businesses are saving money with AI, even if it’s not some sort of miracle multiplier for everyone.
You want me to share specific examples of people doing bad things with literally every single thing humans have ever invented?
The “sharing” of that image was done using the internet, likely on cellular phones, connected to radio systems, that utilize electricity. Yet it’s somehow’ only AI’s fault that it happened? Like people haven’t been using photoshop to make fake images before that.
I dumped the whole context into ChatGPT and asked it to figure out which parts of the conversation were accurate, and it agreed with my arguments and linked a bunch of sources that provide source statistics supporting that.
Which resources exactly?
The amount of physical resources used by AI is hilariously small. These chips are fucking tiny. The largest metal use is the heat spreader, which is just a chunk of aluminum that could be instantly recycled. The “special” metals they use up take less than a gram total per card. All of it is recyclable if those resources become difficult to extract naturally for some reason.
Your take on AI being used to produce fascist slop is amusing, but irrelevant. You could ban every datacenter in Canada and the US, and AI would still be used by bad people to hurt you. I can run lighter models on any computer at this point, and top of the line models like Kimi K3 can be run on a set up that costs less than a car. You can’t stop that short of turning off the internet entirely.
The correct method to addressing the issue of fascist slop isn’t stopping AI from being built, it’s to change the situation in which that is possible. Fascism has existed for all of human history. Education is the correct method to stop it spreading.
Are you brainwashed, or simply brain dead?
The amount of resources is huge. We’re not just talking about electricity. We’re talking agricultural farm land that’s being bought up in huge swaths to build these data centers. We’re talking building materials. We’re talking all the raw materials needed to build the computer parts themselves. They’re phenominally huge.
And the fascist slop they’re talking about is how the largest service providers of AI are manipulating their models to give false information, and even twist it to reflect a certain pro-capitalism and pro-fascist narrative. We’re not talking about some dude creating a model for whatever malicious intent for personal use. We’re talking models being used by the greater public, consuming the information they are given as fact, when in fact that information is manipulated to skew public opinion.
Also, for the record, when people are talking about “AI”, they’re talking about ChatGPT, Copilot, Grok, Gemini, Claude, etc. The major service providers.
Otherwise AI is a godsend for many fields, including science and medicine and other kinds of important research. It should never have been created by stealing copyrighted material, by going through Reddit and Twitter archives full of memes, bullshit, sarcasm and lies and then made accessible to the greater public.
But now these companies are trying to commodify intelligence and they’re using their billions to influence governments to force this shit on everyone.
I never needed AI in my life. And the little I have used it, gave me godawful results. And in the meantime, the data centers running all this are wreaking ecological havoc.
That’s debatable. There has not been a breakthrough using this technology yet and I have yet to see it as transformational in biomedical research, even though I published three papers now based on AI tools.
Having AI tools in biomedical research is utterly pointless when the US killed most research when Trump killed the NIH, and that spending was 80% of the world’s spending in diseases research and other countries have done nothing to fill that gap.
The concept that AI will quickly produce a safe, effective drug that works for any disease is pure science fiction.
The Nobel committee for Chemistry disagrees with you.
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2024/press-release/
That was for a protein modeling tool, not any discovery or treatment of disease.
Enjoy your Koolaid, because summers are only getting hotter.
Did you even read the quote you responded to?
and your response started with
Last I checked, Chemistry is a science.
You’re now trying to shift the goalposts.
Global warming is a huge issue, but stopping AI will not materially affect that when we haven’t solved the problems that are ACTUALLY causing global warming.
Again, I really don’t think you get the scale of things here. Do some math before you spout off.
Datacenter land isn’t even a rounding error in the amount of farmland we have. “Huge swaths” for a mega datacenter means a number measured in hundreds of acres. Alberta alone has 50 million farm acres. Lets go crazy with the numbers and say that every mega datacenter is 1000 acres they wanted to build 10 of the things (There aren’t even 10 total planned in the world right now, so that’s not happening). That’s 5000 acres, or 0.01% of the farmland in Alberta.
That is not even worth discussing.
As for your fascist slop arguments, that’s just patently stupid unless you also put humans in the same category. You (through both traditional and social media) are being fed intentional bullshit continuously. You can get the AI to say or do pretty much anything you want, asking it for a recipe with some ingredients in your fridge isn’t going to be pushing some sort of pro-Israel standpoint into your response. It’s no worse than the textbooks we use at a schools in terms of how it approaches certain topics. The only real exception to that is some of the Chinese models refusing to say negative things about the Chinese government, and that’s a well known factor that can be accounted for. This is not a conspiracy against you, it’s ridiculously easy to test for bias in AI and then account for it in your use.
The thing people don’t realize about AI (when they’re referring to ChatGPT, Copilot, Claude, Gemini, etc.) is that basic chat with these models are not what the datacenters are for. We already have enough capacity for your average person to ask them recipe questions and to come up with wording for a birthday card. These datacenters are for the business uses of AI in harnesses looping to complete complex tasks, especially in programming.
Nobody is forcing you to use it personally. I don’t understand this argument.
Businesses WILL use it to make more money because it is beneficial. You could try to avoid buying products and services from companies that use it, but you likely don’t have any choice in that matter since it’s being used almost everywhere already. Even if they aren’t using it to respond to customer emails or answer the phone they’re likely using it in their planning, documentation, or even integrated into their accounting software because it saves them money. Businesses are saving money with AI, even if it’s not some sort of miracle multiplier for everyone.
https://abc7chicago.com/post/boys-school-shared-ai-generated-nude-images-she-was-expelled-sixth-ward-middle/18306695/
You want me to share specific examples of people doing bad things with literally every single thing humans have ever invented?
The “sharing” of that image was done using the internet, likely on cellular phones, connected to radio systems, that utilize electricity. Yet it’s somehow’ only AI’s fault that it happened? Like people haven’t been using photoshop to make fake images before that.
You have no excuse for being this ignorant.
Enlighten me. Comments with no support or sources are completely unhelpful.
Use ChatGPT and figure it out.
I dumped the whole context into ChatGPT and asked it to figure out which parts of the conversation were accurate, and it agreed with my arguments and linked a bunch of sources that provide source statistics supporting that.
What next?