I think a money-making establishment will always have a background incentive to make money, which will inevitably interfere with helping a person or even following the law, whereas your friend has mainly just the relational incentives to help you not hurt yourself or put yourself in a bad place
That brings back a memory where I was early 20’s, and a coach who took a group of us out drinking taught me specifically that.
Seeing coach starting to square up with some other asshole, “Hey coach security’s watching us. Maybe we should just go.” He laughs “Do you have any idea how much we’ve spent here? If anything, they’re thinking of kicking him out.”
He was right… technically with that specific statement. In every important way, he was very wrong. He was someone I respected immensely though, and I definitely absorbed the lesson at the time
Except that financial incentive makes you 100% responsible if that patron you let keep drinking leaves and kills someone on the way home.
Bars and restaurants have an obligation to know when to cut people off. They have a legal responsibility, and if they fail that could lose their license forever.
I’m pretty sure that’s only specific states or locales in the USA with liability laws for over serving. But also good luck to the prosecution proving a single bartender or establishment was the reason a person was overly intoxicated. In my non lawyer opinion a simple defense of “idk if she drank more before or after showing up or was on any drugs” would probably be more than enough to give reasonable doubt. But IANAL so maybe I’m off base.
I’ve never actually heard of a case of that being prosecuted in Ohio (where I live and we have laws about overserving customers). I’m sure if I look it up I could find something but it just seems like the sort of thing an AG would have difficulty getting charges to stick.
But congrats on the getting sober now. That is a monumental achievement that most people never have to struggle with and you should be very proud indeed of it. Very well done indeed.
I think a money-making establishment will always have a background incentive to make money, which will inevitably interfere with helping a person or even following the law, whereas your friend has mainly just the relational incentives to help you not hurt yourself or put yourself in a bad place
That brings back a memory where I was early 20’s, and a coach who took a group of us out drinking taught me specifically that.
Seeing coach starting to square up with some other asshole, “Hey coach security’s watching us. Maybe we should just go.” He laughs “Do you have any idea how much we’ve spent here? If anything, they’re thinking of kicking him out.”
He was right… technically with that specific statement. In every important way, he was very wrong. He was someone I respected immensely though, and I definitely absorbed the lesson at the time
Except that financial incentive makes you 100% responsible if that patron you let keep drinking leaves and kills someone on the way home.
Bars and restaurants have an obligation to know when to cut people off. They have a legal responsibility, and if they fail that could lose their license forever.
I’m pretty sure that’s only specific states or locales in the USA with liability laws for over serving. But also good luck to the prosecution proving a single bartender or establishment was the reason a person was overly intoxicated. In my non lawyer opinion a simple defense of “idk if she drank more before or after showing up or was on any drugs” would probably be more than enough to give reasonable doubt. But IANAL so maybe I’m off base.
I’ve never actually heard of a case of that being prosecuted in Ohio (where I live and we have laws about overserving customers). I’m sure if I look it up I could find something but it just seems like the sort of thing an AG would have difficulty getting charges to stick.
Maybe it’s rur… rurality?
While I did sometimes get way too drunk in city bars too, usually that would have been with a group and had far less exciting adventures.
Also, it occurred to me that there’s a pretty large slice of those times where I was blackout, so maybe I was cut off many more times than I remember.
😮💨 I kinda regret commenting about it. Starting to remember a lot of embarrassing shit
But congrats on the getting sober now. That is a monumental achievement that most people never have to struggle with and you should be very proud indeed of it. Very well done indeed.