• bedwyr@piefed.ca
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    2 days ago

    Then they plagarize that data though, using it without attribution or payment, which is aganst copyright law. If a person did this they would be stopped. Because it’s big money, the law doesn’t apply.

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      1 day ago

      Now you’ve entered the land of fairy tales and make believe. A person who memorizes a book and then burns it and then recites to others would in fact not be put in front of a firing squad like you want to.

      Not saying corporations are people (they are though) but they are literally not doing anything else than that. Now they only have to teach the AI to learn double think, to learn from the book, but then forget the book, only to be able to remember what that book was about, while being unable to faithfully repeat it.

      That’s literally going to solve any and all problems with AI. It’s not like we should demand meaningful regulations about the actual problems like authoritarian China does. You know, because, think of the book publishers. They are people too!

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        1 day ago

        If a person reproduced copyrighted works and sold them, they could be sued under patent law. In the US, and in all of europe that I’m aware, at least in the west. In Japan, in South Korea, and a host of other countries.

        Reciting a book is one thing, reproducing parts of it for commercial gain is another and is absolutely a violation of patent law. Just as a musician that takes a song and changes the lyrics and beat a bit and releases it would be sued.

        Do you understand the difference?

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          1 day ago

          Yeah, memorization is a bug they have to fix. Like I said, then all problems will be solved.

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            1 day ago

            No problems will be solved in our favour. Us being those that aren’t the oligarchy and their well to do tools.

            I’m surprised to hear someone on .ml defending llm’s. I thought you guys knew which side you were on on this issue?

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              I was sarcastic. Maybe I’m being a bit unfair today.

              But while fuckai is busy beating the drum for intellectual property expansion, a non-capitalist state like China has regulated their AI preventing workers being replaced by AI or regulating emotionally addictive companion bots. Meanwhile I have not heard a single actionable demand for regulation from fuckai.

              So there is a problem with capitalists abusing AI. There is no problem fundamentally with LLMs themselves, they are just tools. They could be amazing to help with economic planning because it could allow to parse democratic input from millions of people.

              IP laws are very much a tool of imperialist oppression. Patents are outright genocide, preventing rapid adoption of new technologies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. And ultimately the IP argument will lead to open weight models becoming “illegal”, monopolizing the “means of generation” and advanced robotics in the hands of the plutocrats. That is going to be “it” for the future of humanity then. They are going to pay a pittance in “general license costs”, replace more and more labor, while you can try to pirate an open source model to use this emergent technological power yourself.