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I’m Australian for starters, so I’m coming from neutral territory. But I can tell you Trump has had a hugely negative impact on our country too, so we don’t want him to win
So, now because nobody agreed with your choice of candidate, you’ve decided to pull a Trump and talk shit about the others?
Great strategy. Yeah, just what everyone wants, for Trump to be back in power.
Sorry, but nothing about her seems conservative at all. She’s pro abortion, pro health, pro education, pro justice.
If you’re genuinely left wing, I’d argue you need to consider what your priorities are, because kamala and Trump are complete opposites
Then you’re clearly getting your info from fox news or newsmax. Because even from Australia we see the different policies (like Obamacare). In fact, some things you’re saying seem similar to the nonsense fox recently started saying (obviously because they don’t have anything valid to say) which makes me wonder…
Even the policies like abortion, corruption in the courts, etc. I have no idea what policies you think are similar. The policies are totally opposite too. Trump only focuses on things that benefits him (literally he Only talks about himself when he’s not bullying others).
Trump is the only world leader I know of who is a bully with a victim mentality. Kamala is not
Obamacare isn’t universal health care. The access it promises only exists if a person can afford to be price-gouged for their health care, and the majority of this nation can’t.
Again, it doesn’t matter what your view is if you have power and choose not to wield it. By default, Democrats have sided with corruption by doing nothing to stop it.
Trump is the only world leader I know of who is a bully with a victim mentality. Kamala is not
You must not be familiar with US foreign policy then.
I’m sorry, but what you’re saying is absolute nonsense. And I’m genuinely wondering why you’re on beehaw, because beehaw is actually a positive network. Whereas you seem to be trying to do the fox news thing of spreading doubt to seemingly try to stop people voting
I genuinely think now you’re a paid lobbyist. There is so much evidence
Here’s some foreign policy… Trump praised dictators around the world for extending their terms. He badmouthed our ex pm. He keeps parading the fact that he’ll solve all the wars within 24hrs, and with him in charge, they never would have happened (no doubt by giving Russia Ukraine).
Keep promoting the racist anti-trans, pro-dictatorship, anti justice pedophile lying rapist though.
I genuinely think now you’re a paid lobbyist. There is so much evidence
Look, I get you strongly disagree with them, but please don’t fall into the trap of thinking people who disagree strongly with you aren’t real.
Anti-capitalists have many, many issues with the Biden admin and Democrats generally, for a whole host of reasons. It doesn’t mean we want Trump to win, think he’s equally as bad, or want you to not vote. And it most certainly doesn’t make us paid shills. It just means we want better, and we are often frustrated at how “better” is never an option.
I can’t speak for what Flash Mob’s beliefs are directly, but I can absolutely say I’ve been in a similar position. It is beyond aggravating to have no options that actually represent your beliefs, but to nonetheless have so many people around you insist that you should be happy about one of the awful options because the candidate in question – who is doing the things you hate – sometimes pays lip service to what you actually wanted. Or because it’s a woman doing it, now. Or, most frequently, because the Republicans managed to dig to an even deeper circle of Hell this time.
Our options are terrible, and we’re pissed about it. But it doesn’t make us not real. All that accusations like that do is prevent people from being understood.
I’ve identified multiple lobbyists on Facebook. They talk a certain way. I’ve identified people working for the forestry industry and even car companies talking crap about EVs (a ford distributor to Kia as an example)…
In this case, they have a new account, making comments which obviously are incorrect. Furthermore, odd they picked beehaw.
If it quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.
I strongly believe this is an account which isn’t neutral . It is clear that there is a huge difference between the two candidates. The only reason why one would claim otherwise, is to discourage voting
Surely even you know their comments feel like an anomaly. Something is weird about the comments they make, like they’re trying to act non-biased
It makes no sense that a guy/gal who claims they’re left wing, would try to sabotage votes for the left wing and seemingly assist the far right wing instead simply because their person wasn’t picked. That should be a huge red flag…
Same. The Libertarians are scary in their own right.
The point is, nothing will change without the upset of the established order.
I mean, think about it. A week ago 99% of voters were arguing for two clearly brain-damaged candidates who support child genocide. Both sides also theink they’re the good guys.
It’s unfortunate that we have to take the time these days to consider whether the constant drum of gloom and doom is actually genuine concern or straight up astroturfing. It certainly does seem like the people who constantly spout this stuff and ignore all evidence that they’re completely off base are being a bit disingenuous for some reason, though.
Worth remembering that many responses in politics are made impulsively due to frustration, and angry, impulsive arguments tend not to be well-researched. We’re all tense, here — it’s hard not to be, these days.
Yeah, that could be. But it’s also worth remembering that disingenuousness is literally the conservative playbook right now. Sometimes a duck is actually Ed Gale in a costume being voiced by Chip Zien, but other times it’s just a duck.
When your 80 year-old parents have to borrow your car to drive for DoorDash because if they don’t they’ll starve, then maybe you’ll understand why some of us, despite the fact that we’re progressives (NOT neoliberals) might actually like for Dems to use their power for good someday.
Instead of making and breaking promises and then shoveling money into war and child genocide.
If I were strategizing for the Trump campaign I would absolutely be trying to target smaller leftist-specific spaces to pull them away from the Democrats and inject talking points of benefit to the campaign. Beehaw has small numbers, but it has a very leftist and pretty vocal user-base. It’s a small pool that it wouldn’t be hard to change the narrative in by injecting the same opinions over and over again. Which is what we see.
It makes way more sense to focus on small communities like Beehaw where a small number of messages can have a larger impact on the thinking of people who use it regularly, than exclusively on huge social media spaces like Facebook and Twitter where they’re shouting into the void.
Get some talking points stuck in the minds of a small pool of people, get them to normalize it, and they’ll spread it for you.
It’s not so much that Trump and Kamala are the same. They aren’t, obviously – and for the record, the video agrees – it’s more that the Democrats here don’t really fix anything the Republicans break. Sure, Kamala is pro-abortion, et cetera, but how certain can I be that she’ll actually act on the principles she espouses? If the Biden admin is anything to go by, I can expect the occasional half-measure at best. Meanwhile, there are solid odds that she will continue to fund or otherwise enable the genocide in Gaza, at least tacitly.
I’m going to vote for her, but not because she’s going to help me or anyone I care about. I’m voting for her because it is harm reduction; Kamala may be a neoliberal pro-cop warmonger, but the alternative is neo-Hitler. As far as presidential tickets go, I don’t have much of a choice, here.
It’s too late for that. You guys had Williamson in the primary, but I’m apparently the only one who voted for her.
I’m Australian for starters, so I’m coming from neutral territory. But I can tell you Trump has had a hugely negative impact on our country too, so we don’t want him to win
So, now because nobody agreed with your choice of candidate, you’ve decided to pull a Trump and talk shit about the others?
Great strategy. Yeah, just what everyone wants, for Trump to be back in power.
Sorry, but nothing about her seems conservative at all. She’s pro abortion, pro health, pro education, pro justice.
If you’re genuinely left wing, I’d argue you need to consider what your priorities are, because kamala and Trump are complete opposites
Personality-wise, definitely.
Politically, not as much as you’d think, judging by how we always end up being ruled by conservatives.
Then you’re clearly getting your info from fox news or newsmax. Because even from Australia we see the different policies (like Obamacare). In fact, some things you’re saying seem similar to the nonsense fox recently started saying (obviously because they don’t have anything valid to say) which makes me wonder…
Even the policies like abortion, corruption in the courts, etc. I have no idea what policies you think are similar. The policies are totally opposite too. Trump only focuses on things that benefits him (literally he Only talks about himself when he’s not bullying others).
Trump is the only world leader I know of who is a bully with a victim mentality. Kamala is not
Obamacare isn’t universal health care. The access it promises only exists if a person can afford to be price-gouged for their health care, and the majority of this nation can’t.
It doesn’t matter what your stance is if you’re content to just let the worst happen and then use it to raise money, which is what Democrats did. (The cost of our bodily autonomy was $80 million, in fact.)
Again, it doesn’t matter what your view is if you have power and choose not to wield it. By default, Democrats have sided with corruption by doing nothing to stop it.
You must not be familiar with US foreign policy then.
It seems we’re going around in circles.
I’m sorry, but what you’re saying is absolute nonsense. And I’m genuinely wondering why you’re on beehaw, because beehaw is actually a positive network. Whereas you seem to be trying to do the fox news thing of spreading doubt to seemingly try to stop people voting
I genuinely think now you’re a paid lobbyist. There is so much evidence
Here’s some foreign policy… Trump praised dictators around the world for extending their terms. He badmouthed our ex pm. He keeps parading the fact that he’ll solve all the wars within 24hrs, and with him in charge, they never would have happened (no doubt by giving Russia Ukraine).
Keep promoting the racist anti-trans, pro-dictatorship, anti justice pedophile lying rapist though.
Look, I get you strongly disagree with them, but please don’t fall into the trap of thinking people who disagree strongly with you aren’t real.
Anti-capitalists have many, many issues with the Biden admin and Democrats generally, for a whole host of reasons. It doesn’t mean we want Trump to win, think he’s equally as bad, or want you to not vote. And it most certainly doesn’t make us paid shills. It just means we want better, and we are often frustrated at how “better” is never an option.
I can’t speak for what Flash Mob’s beliefs are directly, but I can absolutely say I’ve been in a similar position. It is beyond aggravating to have no options that actually represent your beliefs, but to nonetheless have so many people around you insist that you should be happy about one of the awful options because the candidate in question – who is doing the things you hate – sometimes pays lip service to what you actually wanted. Or because it’s a woman doing it, now. Or, most frequently, because the Republicans managed to dig to an even deeper circle of Hell this time.
Our options are terrible, and we’re pissed about it. But it doesn’t make us not real. All that accusations like that do is prevent people from being understood.
That wasn’t why I made that accusation.
I’ve identified multiple lobbyists on Facebook. They talk a certain way. I’ve identified people working for the forestry industry and even car companies talking crap about EVs (a ford distributor to Kia as an example)…
In this case, they have a new account, making comments which obviously are incorrect. Furthermore, odd they picked beehaw.
If it quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.
I strongly believe this is an account which isn’t neutral . It is clear that there is a huge difference between the two candidates. The only reason why one would claim otherwise, is to discourage voting
Surely even you know their comments feel like an anomaly. Something is weird about the comments they make, like they’re trying to act non-biased
It makes no sense that a guy/gal who claims they’re left wing, would try to sabotage votes for the left wing and seemingly assist the far right wing instead simply because their person wasn’t picked. That should be a huge red flag…
Until the 49% that vote the party line every single election decide to vote Libertarian or Green, that is what we’re going to get.
It doesn’t matter that this time the conservative in sheep’s clothing is a woman and a person of color. The result will be the same.
Unfortunately, I don’t think voting is going to be what changes any of this, sadly. At least, not on a federal level.
That, and I don’t think I want to see the Libertarians win either, if I’m honest.
Same. The Libertarians are scary in their own right.
The point is, nothing will change without the upset of the established order.
I mean, think about it. A week ago 99% of voters were arguing for two clearly brain-damaged candidates who support child genocide. Both sides also theink they’re the good guys.
It’s unfortunate that we have to take the time these days to consider whether the constant drum of gloom and doom is actually genuine concern or straight up astroturfing. It certainly does seem like the people who constantly spout this stuff and ignore all evidence that they’re completely off base are being a bit disingenuous for some reason, though.
Worth remembering that many responses in politics are made impulsively due to frustration, and angry, impulsive arguments tend not to be well-researched. We’re all tense, here — it’s hard not to be, these days.
Yeah, that could be. But it’s also worth remembering that disingenuousness is literally the conservative playbook right now. Sometimes a duck is actually Ed Gale in a costume being voiced by Chip Zien, but other times it’s just a duck.
Sure, man.
When your 80 year-old parents have to borrow your car to drive for DoorDash because if they don’t they’ll starve, then maybe you’ll understand why some of us, despite the fact that we’re progressives (NOT neoliberals) might actually like for Dems to use their power for good someday.
Instead of making and breaking promises and then shoveling money into war and child genocide.
Not a man.
My apologies. Just a figure of speech here in the US.
Who is going to bother astroturfing beehaw, right before we switch platforms of all things
If I were strategizing for the Trump campaign I would absolutely be trying to target smaller leftist-specific spaces to pull them away from the Democrats and inject talking points of benefit to the campaign. Beehaw has small numbers, but it has a very leftist and pretty vocal user-base. It’s a small pool that it wouldn’t be hard to change the narrative in by injecting the same opinions over and over again. Which is what we see.
It makes way more sense to focus on small communities like Beehaw where a small number of messages can have a larger impact on the thinking of people who use it regularly, than exclusively on huge social media spaces like Facebook and Twitter where they’re shouting into the void.
Get some talking points stuck in the minds of a small pool of people, get them to normalize it, and they’ll spread it for you.
I’m not who you were replying to, but:
It’s not so much that Trump and Kamala are the same. They aren’t, obviously – and for the record, the video agrees – it’s more that the Democrats here don’t really fix anything the Republicans break. Sure, Kamala is pro-abortion, et cetera, but how certain can I be that she’ll actually act on the principles she espouses? If the Biden admin is anything to go by, I can expect the occasional half-measure at best. Meanwhile, there are solid odds that she will continue to fund or otherwise enable the genocide in Gaza, at least tacitly.
I’m going to vote for her, but not because she’s going to help me or anyone I care about. I’m voting for her because it is harm reduction; Kamala may be a neoliberal pro-cop warmonger, but the alternative is neo-Hitler. As far as presidential tickets go, I don’t have much of a choice, here.