We have a very simple purity test, don’t support genocide or wars on the global south and we have no issue with you. If you can’t agree on that much then there’s no reason why we should accommodate you.
You are those things if you vote democrat, since that is what the democrats are. What you say you are does not matter, what matters is what you do and who you help and you are helping fascist genociders.
The democrats work with the republicans. The democrats started the genocide in Gaza, and the majority of palestinians died under them. ICE was expanded under democrats, Tom Homan was made the leader of ICE under democrats. Democrats had police beat the shit out of peaceful protesters. Democrats deported more than Trump 1 and ran on being harsher on immigration than Trump. When you support Democrats thats what you support.
The patriot act was extended under democrats. The crime bill was written by Joe Biden.
Just because they aren’t rude about it doesn’t make them any better.
We have a very simple purity test, don’t support genocide or wars on the global south and we have no issue with you.
and then, in the course of responding to them, you write,
I’m not going to aid fascists by out casting moderates. You can do that and reap what you sow.
What moderates are being outcast by the proposed purity test? Is supporting half of the genocide moderate enough to be included? Is supporting half of the proxy wars moderate enough to be included? Which people, holding pro-genocide attitudes, do you think we should be trying to include, to beat the fascists?
In order; Palestine(genocide commited by your countries), Ukraine(Not a genocide, false myth by Banderite fascists), Uyghurs(Not a genocide, false myth by Zenz, a German who has never put one foot in Xinjiang), Darfur(Genocide backed by NATO and friends)
You do support the right of liberals to be moderate over my right to be alive and my country to not be invaded, based on your own words. You also don’t even know how to spell Uyghur, nor anything else on the matter.
If people are okay with, say, me and my family being genocided just because of where we were born, why should I care whether they identify as moderate or whatever else? Again, don’t agree with genocide and wars on our countries and you’re welcome. It’s not that much to ask lmao.
Liberals are center right to center left depending on the degree. Liberals are not conservatives. You are confusing left and right, which is more defined. Liberals are not routinely labeled as authoritarian. Authoritarianism can happen in any political direction but routinely not associated which current western liberalism.
The term varies by location. Left and right is usually more standardized. Also liberals by any definition are usually not regarded as authoritarian. Full stop.
This keeps coming up in different threads - I hope you’ll receive the following as useful, and not combative. I occasionally get to feeling grumpy and dunky but this isn’t a long subtle road toward that.
You have a somewhat unique and actually beautiful opportunity here (“here” meaning Lemmy in general, and this specific thread) - one that is hard to find elsewhere, at any rate.
There are well-educated people (obvs not everyone) with very different learned and lived POVs from yours, here. And there is an asymmetry that you’re either missing or denying. These folks who you think you might need to educate about western / US flavored liberalism? They have heard what you’re saying, considered those ideas in a broader context than you have, and rejected those interpretations. It isn’t some missed knowledge you’re sharing like you imagine, or some correction you’re making to someone else’s limited understanding.
You’re missing this, and I really want you to not, for your benefit first, but for all of us - it truly is you, in this case, who has much to learn and little to teach.
Don’t shut that personal growth out by being defensive, it doesn’t lead anywhere. It leads to intellectual death, the ending of internal development, a death sadder than the final one. There’s much to learn and you have a truly golden opportunity to do so, here.
Start with just asking yourself “what if I’m wrong? I’m probably not, that’s the most likely outcome, but what if? What brain doors open when I try to find out?”
[Edit: to put a finer point on this attempt, I can remember enough of how I used to be “you”, hence the unremarked assumptions about you I made throughout. If being “correct” matters, it simply can’t be done with only the info you’re allowing in at the moment. Best wishes.]
Biden deported more than Trump 1, beat the shit out of protesters, committed a genocide and massively expanded the police state. Somehow this is not “authoritarian”.
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We have a very simple purity test, don’t support genocide or wars on the global south and we have no issue with you. If you can’t agree on that much then there’s no reason why we should accommodate you.
I don’t either but I’m not going to aid fascists by out casting moderates. You can do that and reap what you sow.
“Moderate” genocide.
The fascists and the ‘moderates’ will bridge the gap. Think of the German SDP working with the Freikorps. They come from the same money.
Nothing moderate about the democrats. They’re fascists buddy.
That’s a bit extreme of a statement don’t you think.
To call genocidal police-state xenophobes fascists? No, not really.
I vote Democrat and I’m none of those things. I’d argue most are vehemently opposed to fascism and prefer democracy.
Your daily reminder that western liberals don’t consider Palestinians human
You are those things if you vote democrat, since that is what the democrats are. What you say you are does not matter, what matters is what you do and who you help and you are helping fascist genociders.
The democrats work with the republicans. The democrats started the genocide in Gaza, and the majority of palestinians died under them. ICE was expanded under democrats, Tom Homan was made the leader of ICE under democrats. Democrats had police beat the shit out of peaceful protesters. Democrats deported more than Trump 1 and ran on being harsher on immigration than Trump. When you support Democrats thats what you support.
The patriot act was extended under democrats. The crime bill was written by Joe Biden.
Just because they aren’t rude about it doesn’t make them any better.
Alright buddy
Okay, so a person says
and then, in the course of responding to them, you write,
What moderates are being outcast by the proposed purity test? Is supporting half of the genocide moderate enough to be included? Is supporting half of the proxy wars moderate enough to be included? Which people, holding pro-genocide attitudes, do you think we should be trying to include, to beat the fascists?
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In order; Palestine(genocide commited by your countries), Ukraine(Not a genocide, false myth by Banderite fascists), Uyghurs(Not a genocide, false myth by Zenz, a German who has never put one foot in Xinjiang), Darfur(Genocide backed by NATO and friends)
You do support the right of liberals to be moderate over my right to be alive and my country to not be invaded, based on your own words. You also don’t even know how to spell Uyghur, nor anything else on the matter.
This makes no sense from anything I wrote. Absolutely no sense. And I don’t proof read my spelling, that I apologize on.
If people are okay with, say, me and my family being genocided just because of where we were born, why should I care whether they identify as moderate or whatever else? Again, don’t agree with genocide and wars on our countries and you’re welcome. It’s not that much to ask lmao.
Liberals are conservatives, they are capitalist authoritarians, you understand that right?
Liberals are center right to center left depending on the degree. Liberals are not conservatives. You are confusing left and right, which is more defined. Liberals are not routinely labeled as authoritarian. Authoritarianism can happen in any political direction but routinely not associated which current western liberalism.
Wrong, liberalism is fundamentally a right wing ideology. Full stop. https://dialecticaldispatches.substack.com/p/the-dialectics-of-domination
It is not. Not is the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_States
The term varies by location. Left and right is usually more standardized. Also liberals by any definition are usually not regarded as authoritarian. Full stop.
This keeps coming up in different threads - I hope you’ll receive the following as useful, and not combative. I occasionally get to feeling grumpy and dunky but this isn’t a long subtle road toward that.
You have a somewhat unique and actually beautiful opportunity here (“here” meaning Lemmy in general, and this specific thread) - one that is hard to find elsewhere, at any rate.
There are well-educated people (obvs not everyone) with very different learned and lived POVs from yours, here. And there is an asymmetry that you’re either missing or denying. These folks who you think you might need to educate about western / US flavored liberalism? They have heard what you’re saying, considered those ideas in a broader context than you have, and rejected those interpretations. It isn’t some missed knowledge you’re sharing like you imagine, or some correction you’re making to someone else’s limited understanding.
You’re missing this, and I really want you to not, for your benefit first, but for all of us - it truly is you, in this case, who has much to learn and little to teach.
Don’t shut that personal growth out by being defensive, it doesn’t lead anywhere. It leads to intellectual death, the ending of internal development, a death sadder than the final one. There’s much to learn and you have a truly golden opportunity to do so, here.
Start with just asking yourself “what if I’m wrong? I’m probably not, that’s the most likely outcome, but what if? What brain doors open when I try to find out?”
[Edit: to put a finer point on this attempt, I can remember enough of how I used to be “you”, hence the unremarked assumptions about you I made throughout. If being “correct” matters, it simply can’t be done with only the info you’re allowing in at the moment. Best wishes.]
Biden deported more than Trump 1, beat the shit out of protesters, committed a genocide and massively expanded the police state. Somehow this is not “authoritarian”.
He also expanded the ICE concentration camps that Obama first put up that Trump has been using.
But of course thats not fascism or authoritarianism.
Despite two of the primary liberal countries, the US and UK, genociding entire continents.
The liberal political system of bourgeios “democracy” is a much more effective system at genocide than even fascist governments.
keep malding fash