Thought I moved from R*ddit to see more constructive comments (among many other things), turns out nobody reads past the headline here either.
You can take the tiger out of the jungle but you can’t take the jungle out of the tiger
I was thinking they actually live in the savanna, but I remembered that’s lions. The MGM movie intro with a tiger roar over a lion’s footage did not help.
you can eye the tiger but not tiger an eye
I usually try to paste the article into the comments when that happens.
Since 1967, teachers could only physically intervene with students if their safety or that of others was at risk. Starting in August 2027, they will be allowed to ‘hold a student, keep them in place, or take them to another room’ if the student disrupts the class.
So 50% closer to the 1990s then?
Seems we’re talking about …detention. That’s it.
Unclutch those pearls, ladies.
WTF is happening to the world
Read the fucking article fa chrise sakes. Only thing it’s allowing teachers to do is to restrain a kid if the kid is harming others
For some definition of harming others.
The subtitle says:
if the student disrupts the class
And, in the body of the article:
The proposed law would allow teachers to physically intervene if a student harasses or insults others, or “significantly” disrupts lessons.
Did you?
The current legislation only allows teachers to use force if a student poses a danger to themselves, others, or school property. The teachers’ union (Danmarks Lærerforening) has long called for greater flexibility, arguing that it is increasingly difficult to manage students who disturb class and refuse to keep quiet or leave when asked.
They already have the ability to restrain a child who is a danger to others, this is for children who are simply disrupting a class.
“simply” distrupting?? geesh.
You’re right a loud child disturbing a class 100% needs physical violence to fix the issue.
Being forced to sit is physical but hardly violence.
If you’ve been in a position of authority with kids somewhat recently, you know that the old “because I say so” just plain doesn’t work anymore. If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don’t see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn’t involve any physical contact at all?
Striking kids is a different thing entirely.
Schools usually have security officers who can come in and forcibly remove a disruptive student.
I usually go by the rule of No Touching. But if one student is touching another in a disruptive albeit not violent way (e.g. touching someone’s hair without their permission) i think that is what I’d want the rule to enable: the teacher physically getting between them.
If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don’t see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn’t involve any physical contact at all?
Having a discussion with them and their parents? Working it out like a reasonable human not some boomer who thinks force is the answer. The issue does not need to be address right there and then if it is annoying but not harmful, all that does is teach children that physical force is an appropriate response to minor annoyances.
I had rough teachers growing up and I had good teachers growing up, I know which one I want for my children.
yeah, agree. not sure why people are jumping to extremes here.
Fascism
I used to hyper focus on world war 2 history. Scared the ever living shit out of me and the only way I could calm down was to tell myself it’s in the past, we lost so many lives and destroyed so many others just so those that come after, won’t have to suffer this again. And now this. How do I calm down now fam?
Join the communist party, I guess.
Or whatever. Make your day job an active fight for good.
Western nations just mask off brutal Nazis now
For being able to move kids out of a classroom?
You need to use physical force on kids to get them to comply?
If they refuse to comply otherwise, yes.
You’ll let one kid ruin class for everyone else? They deserve their education.
yep agree, not sure why people are ok with one kid being a jerk and disrupting everyone else with little consequence.
People just being argumentative and dramatic on the internet. Nothing new.
Yeah let’s approve physical force on kids instead of fixing what is making them do this. No wonder the world is violent, we turn to it first at every opprotunity.
there no ‘instead of’ being talked about here though? no headines of “social programs shut down, now trying violence”.
To plant a seed I suppose
Can’t help but feel like theres steps in that “refuse to comply otherwise” that you are glossing over to justify this.
Have you ever worked with kids?
Yes, I have four of them
i work in the US in an elementary school and the kids get so violent and out of control that we have to call the cops on them regularly. being allowed to restrain them is necessary.
I’m sure this won’t have any lasting or damaging effects on them
you are ridiculous lol
Kinda like admitting you have been defeated by children and must resort to physical force? Change everything but ourselves?
having 4 kids doesnt not give you insight on what it is like to work with hundreds of other kids who all have their own needs and struggles.
Eastern nations got to keep theirs on
Teaching kids the important shit like the impunity of the state early, huh? /s
I can’t remember the last time I heard a good story out of those damn dastardly danes.
Here’s one from June:
To secure support, the incoming government agreed to free dental care for Danes within 10 years, free public transport for everyone under the age of 22 and zero value-added tax (VAT) on fruit and vegetables
I’ll believe it when I see it. Don’t trust promises.
Only when they’re positive, or also when they’re negative like the article from OP?
The negatives tend to come true more often but in principle, no.
The negatives tend to come true more often
Is this based on something concrete, or could it be negativity bias?
I don’t remember that.
Now you do.
I guess teachers in Denmark had to use the Jedi force before now?
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