The “natives” who are racist as fuck. I am still thinking about supporting empire because fuck Ulfric, but there is a long time before I come back to Skyrim yet again
The Nords’ early experience with elves was being the victims of genocide
The lore leaves this ambiguous though. There’s lore that states that the Nords attacked first, and lore that states that the Falmer attacked first. What followed was a war that in the end left the Falmer driven underground, all but wiped out.
Some lore claim that the Nords justification for this is false. History tends to be written by the victors, so I lean more towards that theory, honestly. It seems unlikely that the Nords managed to re-populate with only Ysgramor and his two sons remaining. The inbreeding would explain why they all sound so dumb, though.
problem with these arguments is, that they are made from our world understanding and extracted out of an extremely condensed world.
yes, the racism that the different races in tamriel display is objectively bad. but tamriel is an extremely racist continent with an astonishing amount of actual races (not the crap, that is called races in our world). every race in tamriel is strongly racist, many support slavery and warmongering is just daily life. TESV just plays in the home of the nords and therefore we are more exposed to their flavour.
TESV is extremely condensed. how many citicens does windhelm have? maybe 15? the drunk asshole in the gray quarter is probably the most cited source for nord racism. but bethesda had to put one open asshole there, that is even too much for most other inhabitants - if they want to keep racism as a story telling instrument… actually i wish there was more to him. for example you could side with him and harass locals or beat some sense into him. both should have lasting consequences in the world. but that is just not the level of detail we got from TESV…
And there is also no option to say “fuck you both”, especially in negotiations where grey beards live. I hate this duality of being a simp of one side or the other
I might have actually missed that part. Its been a while since I played, and I can’t remember much to do with argonians or khajiit at all besides the tent camps outside cities. What’s going on with all that?
still waiting to hear about the non racist natives in tamriel
feel bad for the dark elves in the gray quarter? go look at how the argonians are treated by them. go see that the only reason argonians arent allowed in windhelm is because the dark elves are racist as fuck and would start a riot if they had to live with argonians
when all races are racist how can you disparage one group for it but not the others? you dont like the nords because theyre racist, do you not like every other race in tamriel?
I am not involved with their leaders killing their kings and proceeding to put on a show of rebels against tyranny while being racist pieces of shit themselves. So yeah, as far as this story goes I don’t like Ulfric and his lot way way more than anyone else
The “natives” who are racist as fuck. I am still thinking about supporting empire because fuck Ulfric, but there is a long time before I come back to Skyrim yet again
The Nords’ early experience with elves was being the victims of genocide so it’s not like it comes from nowhere.
The lore leaves this ambiguous though. There’s lore that states that the Nords attacked first, and lore that states that the Falmer attacked first. What followed was a war that in the end left the Falmer driven underground, all but wiped out.
Some lore claim that the Nords justification for this is false. History tends to be written by the victors, so I lean more towards that theory, honestly. It seems unlikely that the Nords managed to re-populate with only Ysgramor and his two sons remaining. The inbreeding would explain why they all sound so dumb, though.
and it came to “Skyrim is for Nords”. which can be expected, yeah, but must not be tolerated
problem with these arguments is, that they are made from our world understanding and extracted out of an extremely condensed world.
yes, the racism that the different races in tamriel display is objectively bad. but tamriel is an extremely racist continent with an astonishing amount of actual races (not the crap, that is called races in our world). every race in tamriel is strongly racist, many support slavery and warmongering is just daily life. TESV just plays in the home of the nords and therefore we are more exposed to their flavour.
TESV is extremely condensed. how many citicens does windhelm have? maybe 15? the drunk asshole in the gray quarter is probably the most cited source for nord racism. but bethesda had to put one open asshole there, that is even too much for most other inhabitants - if they want to keep racism as a story telling instrument… actually i wish there was more to him. for example you could side with him and harass locals or beat some sense into him. both should have lasting consequences in the world. but that is just not the level of detail we got from TESV…
And there is also no option to say “fuck you both”, especially in negotiations where grey beards live. I hate this duality of being a simp of one side or the other
“With great power comes great responsibility”
I believe if the choice must be between bad and worse, not choosing at all is cowardice.
I could choose to screw both parties, if it were on the table. Also, Geralt of Rivia would like a word
Its not racist to resist change from outsiders who happen to be another race.
it is racist to treat argonians like shit, for example
Or to openly talk about purging your new ethnonation.
But they aren’t just resisting change. They openly talk about purging all the argonians and khajiit, etc.
I might have actually missed that part. Its been a while since I played, and I can’t remember much to do with argonians or khajiit at all besides the tent camps outside cities. What’s going on with all that?
still waiting to hear about the non racist natives in tamriel
feel bad for the dark elves in the gray quarter? go look at how the argonians are treated by them. go see that the only reason argonians arent allowed in windhelm is because the dark elves are racist as fuck and would start a riot if they had to live with argonians
Others are racist too so I must ignore Nords? Lol
when all races are racist how can you disparage one group for it but not the others? you dont like the nords because theyre racist, do you not like every other race in tamriel?
I am not involved with their leaders killing their kings and proceeding to put on a show of rebels against tyranny while being racist pieces of shit themselves. So yeah, as far as this story goes I don’t like Ulfric and his lot way way more than anyone else
thats thalmor sympathizer talk. ulfric and his merry band of rebels is a lot better than elenwen’s lap dog tullius and the rest of the empire
Yeah, especially what thalmor lap dog did at college of winterhold. We can do this for a long time
Yeah I remember considering both sides and then just saying fuck it and stopping the quest entirely when it came time to choose.
thinking of the same, honestly. probably add some bloodbath on my way out too
I don’t pick a side in the civil war, but I will murder Thalmor and Stormcloaks indiscriminately.