The cat’s out of the bag at this point. Expecting the problem to be solved by controlling a centralized access point is a fool’s errand. Local models exist and, once this bubble pops, the hardware will be more accessible, maybe even on unbiquitous equipment like phones. And even absent models, there are plenty of people on the internet willing to violate local laws for an Amazon gift card.
Imagine this same problem for film photography. The solution would be all film developers are regulated and would lose their license for releasing certain kinds of photos. People will just develop their own film or fly-by-night operators will do it without a license.
Disagree strongly about all this being inevitable. And not taking a stand against mega-billion dollar companies enabling this is ridiculous, IMO.
To take your example of the photo industry, we have laws on the books against certain types of photography being either produced, in your possession, or sharing them. Why should GenAI be any different? If a server delivers you a nude image of someone without their consent and/or underaged, the company that owns that server has produced and distributed something actionable.
And sure, local models can and do exist, but hell, most people aren’t even willing to get off Windows and move to Linux - you think many folks are going to be paying for the hardware and developing/training their own local models? The same rules that keep beastiality/CP/etc (mostly) off the net can be used against them if they try and share them. And most importantly, by doing that, society says that kind of thing is not acceptable. Traffic laws aren’t enforced 100% of the time, but can you imagine what kind of hellscape it would be if we didn’t have them at all?
Sadly yes you’re right. We’re at the point where we as a society have to wrap our head around the fact that images (and even video) are no longer proof of reality.
I’ve seen a few attempts at cameras which digitally sign the image as proof of reality. That may end up being the new normal.
The cat’s out of the bag at this point. Expecting the problem to be solved by controlling a centralized access point is a fool’s errand. Local models exist and, once this bubble pops, the hardware will be more accessible, maybe even on unbiquitous equipment like phones. And even absent models, there are plenty of people on the internet willing to violate local laws for an Amazon gift card.
Imagine this same problem for film photography. The solution would be all film developers are regulated and would lose their license for releasing certain kinds of photos. People will just develop their own film or fly-by-night operators will do it without a license.
Disagree strongly about all this being inevitable. And not taking a stand against mega-billion dollar companies enabling this is ridiculous, IMO.
To take your example of the photo industry, we have laws on the books against certain types of photography being either produced, in your possession, or sharing them. Why should GenAI be any different? If a server delivers you a nude image of someone without their consent and/or underaged, the company that owns that server has produced and distributed something actionable.
And sure, local models can and do exist, but hell, most people aren’t even willing to get off Windows and move to Linux - you think many folks are going to be paying for the hardware and developing/training their own local models? The same rules that keep beastiality/CP/etc (mostly) off the net can be used against them if they try and share them. And most importantly, by doing that, society says that kind of thing is not acceptable. Traffic laws aren’t enforced 100% of the time, but can you imagine what kind of hellscape it would be if we didn’t have them at all?
Not sure where I advocated doing nothing, just that controlling it at the source will be ineffective even if it feels good to do.
Yes, creation and distribution should continue to be crimes.
Sadly yes you’re right. We’re at the point where we as a society have to wrap our head around the fact that images (and even video) are no longer proof of reality.
I’ve seen a few attempts at cameras which digitally sign the image as proof of reality. That may end up being the new normal.