Yeah, you still cannot compare “I’m a bit hot in these pants” to “you need to be eye candy and pretend you aren’t bothered by men oogling at you while you’re forced to treat them nicely” or “fuck your spine and feet bone structure so you look nice for men” though. (Those high heels not only mess up your feet, they also mess up your spine)
I took the “I’m a bit hot in 35C degree weather and the school keeps taking me out of classes to tell me I’m ruining my future” as a 10 year old kid over using a skirt every day. I believe grown men can deal with wearing pants that they can still choose the cloth of.
But yes, patriarchy definitely affects men too, neither of us have any need to be dealing with this nonsense. Feminism is not just for women’s rights.
Empathy begins with relating to others experiences by comparison. I did not intend to minimize or be dismissive of your experience in the way your reply to me was. They are two sides of an unfairly balanced coin. Most men are never going to be able to really empathize with high heels and make-up, but they can understand being stuffed into uncomfortable and impractical clothes. We should be able to commiserate and relate without being dismissive and hostile.
I didn’t intend to come across dismissive or hostile, and I agree with you on the rest of what you’re saying. If it was my language that’s just how I express myself, truly, as I have strong feelings about this, it is something that has been beaten into me since the moment I started to have opinions about how I dress myself because me choosing the options that men have is too much to ask of society.
Also, regardless of what your intentions were that comparison felt a bit out of touch.
I think a much better example on how patriarchy affects men negatively is the social isolation and the “men don’t cry”. But saying that being forced into pants because it’s hot when I’m talking about being forced into being eye candy since we’re little girls and literally screwing up our bone structures is not a fair comparison and totally missing the point. As if I said that a slap on the face hurts as much as being kicked in the balls.
Yeah, you still cannot compare “I’m a bit hot in these pants” to “you need to be eye candy and pretend you aren’t bothered by men oogling at you while you’re forced to treat them nicely” or “fuck your spine and feet bone structure so you look nice for men” though. (Those high heels not only mess up your feet, they also mess up your spine) I took the “I’m a bit hot in 35C degree weather and the school keeps taking me out of classes to tell me I’m ruining my future” as a 10 year old kid over using a skirt every day. I believe grown men can deal with wearing pants that they can still choose the cloth of.
But yes, patriarchy definitely affects men too, neither of us have any need to be dealing with this nonsense. Feminism is not just for women’s rights.
Empathy begins with relating to others experiences by comparison. I did not intend to minimize or be dismissive of your experience in the way your reply to me was. They are two sides of an unfairly balanced coin. Most men are never going to be able to really empathize with high heels and make-up, but they can understand being stuffed into uncomfortable and impractical clothes. We should be able to commiserate and relate without being dismissive and hostile.
I didn’t intend to come across dismissive or hostile, and I agree with you on the rest of what you’re saying. If it was my language that’s just how I express myself, truly, as I have strong feelings about this, it is something that has been beaten into me since the moment I started to have opinions about how I dress myself because me choosing the options that men have is too much to ask of society. Also, regardless of what your intentions were that comparison felt a bit out of touch. I think a much better example on how patriarchy affects men negatively is the social isolation and the “men don’t cry”. But saying that being forced into pants because it’s hot when I’m talking about being forced into being eye candy since we’re little girls and literally screwing up our bone structures is not a fair comparison and totally missing the point. As if I said that a slap on the face hurts as much as being kicked in the balls.