I think that depends entirely on whether opt-in is legally required in a given jurisdiction but they’ll certainly try and use every dark pattern in their arsenal to do so.
yeah no… Android is as linux as Windows is POSIX compatible e.g. absolutely irrelevant that in the backend is running a linux kernel. Besides, only Google Android is plastered with Google Telemetry.
Their point is to answer the question “who is going to consent to Google telemetry on linux”. 99% of humanity, that’s who.
Corporations can plaster over the open source baseline to make a Product, at which point Consumers will feel the comfort and familiarity of being able to displace responsibility for their satisfaction onto someone else in exchange for a price, such as their privacy.
Consider the Capitalist adage “If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product”. How would that belief affect how someone feels about baseline Linux, about FOSS in general? They would constantly be waiting for the catch, for the monetization or hack or cult pitch or communism that explains why people are spending their time contributing to FOSS instead of making money.
absolutely irrelevant that in the backend is running a linux kernel
I don’t think so. Android is a Linux distribution, because it distributes Linux and is build the operating system using it. Besides that, Linux itself isn’t fully POSIX standard conform too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#Partially_conformant and thus no operating system built distributing the Linux Kernel is POSIX compliant. Android supports lot of POSIX functions, so its not that far off. The difference is not POSIX, it’s actually GNU tools and proprietary blobs included, and the user application packages that make it so much different.
Ah, so there’s no Linux in Android and it’s running some other kernel. Must have been mistaken, sorry.
I wonder what will be the point where we stop calling SteamOS a Linux distribution too. Maybe greybeards and their GNU/Linux thing were right. But now Ubuntu switched to Rust coreutils, I guess it’s no longer Linux. Apple recently stopped certifying POSIX compatibility so MacOS is longer UNIX even if they run BSD coreutils. Gosh, darnit.
tell me, how much do you interact with linux when you are on an Android Phone? 0 percent perhaps? No, you start in the single user application of android and that’s it.
SteamOS meanwhile is a full featured Linux distro, heck Steam in that Distro makes it super easy to switch to “Desktop Mode” e.g. KDE.
Linux is a kernel. If you try to define it as more you’ll find yourself in a land of contradictions due to previously mentioned examples.
Android is “Linux”. It might not have GNU userland or X11/Wayland. It is essentially a commoditised appliance but there’s Linux kernel there. KDE runs on many different Unix-like systems, it’s not something that defines Linux.
If I log into a remote Linux shell where a system administrator locked me out of most of the things, does it make it less Linux?
People agree to Google telemetry on their Linux phones.
Not by default
I think that depends entirely on whether opt-in is legally required in a given jurisdiction but they’ll certainly try and use every dark pattern in their arsenal to do so.
No, I mean when you install android it doesn’t include the evil google blobs by default. You have to do that as an additional step.
Why is there google telemetry on Nura, Ubuntu Touch and SailfishOS?
Android is Linux with orders of magnitude more users than all of those combined.
yeah no… Android is as linux as Windows is POSIX compatible e.g. absolutely irrelevant that in the backend is running a linux kernel. Besides, only Google Android is plastered with Google Telemetry.
Their point is to answer the question “who is going to consent to Google telemetry on linux”. 99% of humanity, that’s who.
Corporations can plaster over the open source baseline to make a Product, at which point Consumers will feel the comfort and familiarity of being able to displace responsibility for their satisfaction onto someone else in exchange for a price, such as their privacy.
Consider the Capitalist adage “If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product”. How would that belief affect how someone feels about baseline Linux, about FOSS in general? They would constantly be waiting for the catch, for the monetization or hack or cult pitch or communism that explains why people are spending their time contributing to FOSS instead of making money.
Corporations are the devil they know.
I don’t think so. Android is a Linux distribution, because it distributes Linux and is build the operating system using it. Besides that, Linux itself isn’t fully POSIX standard conform too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#Partially_conformant and thus no operating system built distributing the Linux Kernel is POSIX compliant. Android supports lot of POSIX functions, so its not that far off. The difference is not POSIX, it’s actually GNU tools and proprietary blobs included, and the user application packages that make it so much different.
Also interestingly there is a man page about these type of standards: https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/standards.7.html
Ah, so there’s no Linux in Android and it’s running some other kernel. Must have been mistaken, sorry.
I wonder what will be the point where we stop calling SteamOS a Linux distribution too. Maybe greybeards and their GNU/Linux thing were right. But now Ubuntu switched to Rust coreutils, I guess it’s no longer Linux. Apple recently stopped certifying POSIX compatibility so MacOS is longer UNIX even if they run BSD coreutils. Gosh, darnit.
tell me, how much do you interact with linux when you are on an Android Phone? 0 percent perhaps? No, you start in the single user application of android and that’s it.
SteamOS meanwhile is a full featured Linux distro, heck Steam in that Distro makes it super easy to switch to “Desktop Mode” e.g. KDE.
Linux is a kernel. If you try to define it as more you’ll find yourself in a land of contradictions due to previously mentioned examples.
Android is “Linux”. It might not have GNU userland or X11/Wayland. It is essentially a commoditised appliance but there’s Linux kernel there. KDE runs on many different Unix-like systems, it’s not something that defines Linux.
If I log into a remote Linux shell where a system administrator locked me out of most of the things, does it make it less Linux?