And from the glowing reviews it’s clear that
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W11 doesn’t actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial
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For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won’t even notice that’s something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD
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Amazon doesn’t care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)
I keep repeating this, my i5 750 (2009 pc), oc at 3.6ghz can do any fucking thing most people do with their computer. With a 1060 gpu, It plays like 90% of the games , I’ve made pro audio and video projects on it, even a small vr game.
Yeah no, calling cap on that.
It’ll run most indies and triple A game from 6-7y ago.
It’ll be a real bottle neck for recent games. And especially for the only game that truly matters, rimworld.
I am running an n150 on a secondary mini pc. On paper it’s twice as fast as your cpu. It drives me crazy how slow it can be at times when running multiple tabs or apps at the same time. You’re delusional if you think your cpu is still up to snuff in 2025
I think people tend to forget that the vast majority of people don’t even play games on their computer. Like when I mention this computer, I always get “Nah, this wont play Elden Ring at 4k 120 fps, just throw it to the garbage”. But my parents, sisters, most of my friends dont give a damn about gaming. And this computer is definitely fast enough for all my personal gaming needs.
Another thing, is that gaming streaming services are now super efficient. I could literally play Doom the Dark Age at 1080p on Xbox Game pass with this PC, and I sometimes subscribe to PS+ to play Playstation exclusives.
I still doubt it would be a pleasant experience. I only do office type work on the n150 device. It’s still laggy AF compared to any modern mid-range cpu. (eg my i5 (?) 8600 at home, which is also already of respectable age, is a lot smoother for non-gaming use.)
But I guess your point (partially) stands, Johnny granddad won’t notice when he checks the news and weather in the morning.
I suspect it’s all the OS bullshit that makes you experience laggy. Obviously having an SSD and 8gb ram is essential. I made a super light install of Win 10 on my i5 750, years ago, and any office works is still 100% smooth on it. Even editing and mixing audio is not much different than on my M1 Max, I still open some old projects from time to time. I teach computer science in an audio engineering program, and I’m convinced that in the field of audio, we won the battle of computing power a very long time ago. On the other hand, for video processing, game engines, etc. it’s another story. But in the field of sound, power gains are marginal these days.
I ran Ubuntu and arch on it. The lag is noticeable even in Firefox with just 5-6 tabs open. 8GB ram and an ssd. Open multiple apps and it becomes very very noticeable.
Audio, sure, I have no experience with that, no argument from me there.
But you claimed your vintage cpu is enough for most people. Most people ain’t audio engineers. Most people would immediately notice a smoothness difference between an m1 max and your vintage cpu. There is no way you don’t notice a difference in (non audio maybe) regular browsing (not just one tab, but many) and multitasking, stop lying to win a useless internet argument.
Dude, you’re the one who wants to win an argument here. I use both computer daily. I also have an Amd 5950x, an i7 6700, a 2012 MB pro at my studio that I use a couple of times week. I’m not exactly a computer illeterate, it’s part of my job to work on different systems I don’t do a ton of multitasking on the i5, no need for 42 tabs open on a media and gaming system lol, but I can assure you if there’s any lag on firefox with a few tabs open and an office suite running, it’s not enough to bother the vast majority of people. Seriously I cant count the number of times I’ve add this discussions with “gamers” that believe they know everything about computers because they play AAA and upgrade their gpus every 2 years. I’m should really do a freaking video of my i5 doing the normal stuff people do and playing a few games, just so I can stop having this discussion lol. In the end, I dont care if you dont believe me, but you really should work on optimizing your system if you can’t do normal stuff on it. Btw, if a computer is good enough for pro audio, it’s good enough for browsing and office work lol.
Fr. I have an OCd 2500k and it was a bottleneck many years ago. Pre Sandy CPUs… Not a chance it’s not a bottleneck.
It should be able to run a pretty good sized factory in Factorio. Easily fast enough to compile CDDA.
Oh no, can’t play what ever some AAA studio shat out last week, how ever will I cope…
Yeah, same. That was my first major PC build and it hit its threshold. I used the hell out of it for nearly 6 years, but no way it’s playing new games with a 1060.
Has mentioned, I just finished It takes 2 with my nephew. Might subscribe to Gamepass to try Doom The Dark Age. Not everyone needs 4k or competition performance.
if it’s anything like the Pentium g4560 it can absolutely play games, just not necessarily at good framerates nor AVX so star citizen is completely unrunnable. also Linux compile times suck
I didn’t say you can’t game on it. You just can’t claim it can keep up with modern cpus.
Serious question, why haven’t you upgraded to an i7 yet? They’d have to be super cheap at this point, right?
I mean, it’s not my work PC anymore, but this one has been my main entertainment system for years now. I really don’t need to upgrade and create e-waste to gain a little bit of performance. I haven’t even installed Linux on it yet, still on win 10, but that will make it even faster. It’s my firm belief that like 80% of the people would be fine with 15+ years old computers.
My newest computer is 5 years old. I see no reason to upgrade anything.
I use my 11 year old laptop with Linux mint on it as well. I maxed out the RAM on it and swapped in a Sata SSD, it boots in under 40 seconds and does everything I need it to do. It’s one of those cheap underpowered Celeron processors as well.
Id still be using my clamshell iBook if it worked and supported a modern-ish browser.
My eeePC only got sidelined because 4gb of ram is now too little for kubuntu releases. (I was going to install Debian, but after 30 min on it’s SLOW SSD it failed and I haven’t tried again) And I had issues with the screen resolution being too low for the smallest settings window before.
Wasn’t a lot of benefits from the i7 back then, the 750 was still quad core, decent specs.
The I7 has hyper threading which is a ~50% perf boost over the i5
I used to have that CPU, but found it absolutely dying on it’s arse for VR Chat (which is notoriously badly optimised). I got a i5-8400 instead, which is about twice as fast for single threaded work (which is still the main bottleneck for most games). Your overclock would take it a decent amount of the way there, but most people aren’t going to do that, and it was getting a bit iffy even when I replaced it. Runs hot as well, I expect.
Since then they’ve got about twice as fast again. You don’t have to spend a lot on them to get that either. A Ryzen 9600X will have me set for the next 15 years (assuming they don’t ditch x86 CPUs altogether). AMD being competitive again has down wonders for performance boosts. Motherboards seem a lot more expensive these days though.
It’s only the AM5 mobos, you can still get very cheap AM4 mobos, even with PBO (performance boost overdrive, huuuuge performance boost for me at least). The new AM5 mobos are like 200 bucks WTF? Aaaand they have shit audio 😭
I dont think that GPU could handle any game in the past 5-10 years though. So 90% of games doesn’t seem right.
1060 is probably more powerful than the steam deck and that things run almost everything. You don’t have to play at 4k/ultra.
I don’t play online games, but otherwise I have a library of 200+ games and they all work fine so far. At 1080p, sometimes I put it at 720p to get higher fps.
Lately, I’ve been playing It takes 2, Little Nightmare 2, Fallout 4, Hades, Sable, Doom 2016 among others, no issues.
In all fairness, those are all very well optimized, compared to today’s complete and utter bullsh*t… A 1060 is Dldefinitely not E-waste though!!
Lol the 3gb 1060s kinda were ewaste tho
Generally agree but also consider power usage. Of course it also depends how often its powered on or not. If its used a lot then buying newer hardware may well be cheaper just in the energy saved, though if its off most of the time then its less of a concern.
From a personal finance perspective, you need to consider the price of the new machine and the difference in the energy bill for the average time you would still be using your current machine until it doesn’t work anymore.
From a sustainability perspective, you also need to consider the manufacturing impacts of the new machine in all the production chain and the energy used in that process (this is a concept called emergy). Maybe also the disposal process of the current one, if that’s the case.
Energy to produce should already be represented in the price. Though pollution probably won’t be.
It should, but when production is outsourced to different countries, with different regulations and with different currencies things get messy. Even worse when there’s corruption involved along the chain.
I had a very similar PC. I think maybe slightly better. I ended up upgrading because the CPU was becoming more and more of a bottleneck. The roar was Elden Ring. The fps wouldn’t go past about 20. Also some gaves are now being compiled against x64 v3 instructions (like Hell Divers 2 and Death Stranding) which there’s literally no way of running on an old CPU since it doesn’t have the instructions for it.