I have a hard time believing that the left, eating their own, is a path back to power. You’re just gonna annoy people, drive them away, and depress your voter turnout; a surefire way to make sure the right remain in power.
So those that participate in trashing the left or center, every time a politician does not deliver 100% of a wishlist (if they are voting eligible “Americans”) must be either stupid, or elephants in donkey costumes.
I mean what’s the in-between? Folks who studied Socialism and Communism but never studied how to fucking win something?.. maybe.
Or I suppose I can concede, you all far lefties are a separate faction, trying to make inroad to capture power over the rest of the left, as they see that is their only path to power.
Still kinda dumb too, as while it may be the only play, it just wouldn’t happen, and is a waste of effort.
You want to threaten and use any leverage against the left to effect policy? Well that is pretty useless while they don’t have power. So ya better get on the support train first - whinge later, program.
I have a hard time believing that the left, eating their own, is a path back to power.
But you think that the right, sacrificing the left, is a way to get leftists in power? That doesn’t seem to make much sense to me.
You’re just gonna annoy people, drive them away, and depress your voter turnout…
The thing that the Democrats keep doing?
So those that participate in trashing the left or center, every time a politician does not deliver 100% of a wishlist … must be either stupid, or elephants in donkey costumes.
Who said anything about 100% ? I’d be OK with a lot less, yet the Democrats can’t even get that much.
(if they are voting eligible “Americans”)
Holy racism, Batman!?! Could you be more overt?
I mean what’s the in-between? Folks who studied Socialism and Communism but never studied how to fucking win something?.. maybe.
What I’ve studied, is Democrats openly failing to deliver even the basics of what their voters want. Remember when “Genocide is bad”, or “The economy is bad”, or “Torture is bad” was on the ballot, and the Democratic leadership couldn’t even stomach that little?
Or I suppose I can concede, you all far lefties are a separate faction, trying to make inroad to capture power over the rest of the left, as they see that is their only path to power.
So you think that supporting basic human rights, and equality for all is “far left”?
Still kinda dumb too, as while it may be the only play, it just wouldn’t happen, and is a waste of effort.
And yet you think that voting in support of genocidists, rapits, and fascists supporters, is not a wasted effort?
You want to threaten and use any leverage against the left to effect policy?
“against the left” ? I’m not even sure what you mean by that. I’m explictly against the right. What have I said that is “against the left” ?
Well that is pretty useless while they don’t have power.
I also don’t understand this. I’m trying to stop the coopting of the left by Democrats. How is supporting the coopting-of-the-left going to give the left more power?
I wouldn’t waste your time, this guy doesn’t know the difference between left and right yet. I bet he still has to make an L with his hands and still fucks it up anyways.
I mostly agree with you, but these discussions are also about how pointing out flawed logic to a broader audience. There are other people who read these, but don’t participate in the discussion.
But you think that the right, sacrificing the left, is a way to get leftists in power? That doesn’t seem to make much sense to me.
Uhh… no. This question doesn’t make sense to me.
The thing that the Democrats keep doing?
Lol. If Democrats are driving away voters (to the right) you think even leftier policies will prevent them from voting right? Give.your.nuts.a.tug.
Who said anything about 100% ? I’d be OK with a lot less, yet the Democrats can’t even get that much.
Maybe not much, but more than the right will get ya, right?
Holy racism, Batman!?! Could you be more overt?
Racism… OP’s post pic litterally says, “U.S. Senate candidates debate…”, so this pertains to US politics. Hey also I patted my wife on the butt because she cooked me dinner tonight. Guess I’m a chauvinist…🤷
What I’ve studied, is Democrats openly failing to deliver even the basics of what their voters want. Remember when “Genocide is bad”, or “The economy is bad”, or “Torture is bad” was on the ballot, and the Democratic leadership couldn’t even stomach that little?
You might wanna read the stats. Look up what the Democrats have done in each of their last 3 administrations and look up what the Republicans have done for their last 3, and tell us which you prefer.
So you think that supporting basic human rights, and equality for all is “far left”?
Lol! No. But I think you might misunderstand something here. Basic human rights and Equality for all, are not are not hand-in-hand. They are separate things.
And yet you think that voting in support of genocidists, rapits, and fascists supporters, is not a wasted effort?
Wow, what a comedy these questions are… Like, what? Which “genocidists”, and “rapits”, and “fascists” are you refering to?
“against the left” ? I’m not even sure what you mean by that. I’m explictly against the right. What have I said that is “against the left” ?
No, what I’m saying… Far lefties use the leverage of vote-threat, “we’ll vote for someone else if you don’t do what we want”, often. Look how that worked out for Palistinian-Americans that voted for Trump because, “evil” Dems didn’t immediately cut money to Israel. Measurably worse. Shot themselves in the foot. Jared Kushner is probably got a deal going to put a golf course on those dumb voters collective Palistinian family-homes as we speak.
I also don’t understand this. I’m trying to stop the coopting of the left by Democrats. How is supporting the coopting-of-the-left going to give the left more power?
Coopting of what “left”? What “left” is it that you speak of that had power in the US? Your statement makes it sound like your trying saving some sacred civilization. But that never existed so, the fuck are you on about?
The left IS the Dems as it currently stands in the USA, take it or leave it, and that’s what you’re working with if you want any measurable outcome. To say otherwise is living in fairyland.
Stop trying to fracture the only shield you have on grounds of pedantry and idealism that cannot be achieved from this rung on the ladder. You have to get to the higher rung first before climbing higher.
We’re in a discussion about a right-wing party sacrificing their leftist voter-base to gain more right-wing votes. You seem to be advocating that will somehow get more power for the left.
Lol. If Democrats are driving away voters (to the right) you think even leftier policies will prevent them from voting right? Give.your.nuts.a.tug.
Democrats are driving away voters by running to the right. They could run on more left-leaning policies, which are highly popular. You are the one advocating that they keep moving away from what their voters want.
Maybe not much, but more than the right will get ya, right?
Now your moving the goal-posts on this? 🙄
Racism… OP’s post pic litterally says, “U.S. Senate candidates debate…”, so this pertains to US politics. Hey also I patted my wife on the butt because she cooked me dinner tonight. Guess I’m a chauvinist…🤷
What are you talking about? What does that have to do with what we were discussing?
You might wanna read the stats. Look up what the Democrats have done in each of their last 3 administrations and look up what the Republicans have done for their last 3, and tell us which you prefer.
I have already done that. I even pointed out a lot of what they’ve done, but you decided to ignore that. Lets review other things that they did:
bombed kids
supported a rapist
made our healthcare more expensive, and lowered it’s quality
destroyed our environment
bailed out their rich friends
increased mass deportations
increased torture programs
And there’s plenty more. Which of those should I be supportive of? Because they are pretty antithetical to what I want.
Lol! No. But I think you might misunderstand something here. Basic human rights and Equality for all, are not are not hand-in-hand. They are separate things.
Yeah. I never claimed that they were. I’m claiming that those values aren’t “far left” as you stated they were.
Wow, what a comedy these questions are… Like, what? Which “genocidists”, and “rapits”, and “fascists” are you refering to?
The Democrats and Reupublicans, ICE, the police, the US military.
No, what I’m saying… Far lefties use the leverage of vote-threat, “we’ll vote for someone else if you don’t do what we want”, often. Look how that worked out for Palistinian-Americans that voted for Trump because, “evil” Dems didn’t immediately cut money to Israel. Measurably worse. Shot themselves in the foot.
Those Palestinians would have been killed under Harris too, so I’m not sure how that’s some kind of “gotcha”.
Vote-threat is how you leverage power. Look at what the strategy of “voting blue no matter who” has gotten us: Genocide and fascism. If the Democratic voters were willing to stop voting for fascism and genocide-supporters, and start leveraging that vote-threat, then we’d have a different party in power. One that wouldn’t be supporting fascism and genocide.
The protest voters didn’t shoot themselves in the foot, the Democrats aimed the gun at their foot, so that the Republicans could pull the trigger.
Jared Kushner is probably got a deal going to put a golf course on those dumb voters collective Palistinian family-homes as we speak.
Wait, what are you talking about? Do you think that Palestinains get to vote in US elections? Or do you think that people against genocide lost their homes?
Coopting of what “left”? What “left” is it that you speak of that had power in the US?
Hardly any because the Democrats keep coopting it.
Your statement makes it sound like your trying saving some sacred civilization. But that never existed so, the fuck are you on about?
What are you talking about? Where did I say anything like that? You are the one that made all that up.
The left IS the Dems as it currently stands in the USA, take it or leave it, and that’s what you’re working with if you want any measurable outcome. To say otherwise is living in fairyland.
No, the Dems are the right. They masquerade as the left. They are also the ones preventing us from having a measureable outcome.
Stop trying to fracture the only shield you have on grounds of pedantry and idealism that cannot be achieved from this rung on the ladder. You have to get to the higher rung first before climbing higher.
What shield? I’m fighting against the group that keeps preventing us from having a shield.
If the options are getting mouth-raped, or getting mouth-raped AND ass-raped, then actually yes, you absolutely can convince someone to choose (vote) for the minimal of those options. In fact the decision is the normal and not an outlier, for those with common sense.
No, you fucking literally can’t, as evidenced by Hilary Clinton losing the easiest race of all time, and then Kamala losing an even easier race not long after.
I have a hard time believing that the left, eating their own, is a path back to power. You’re just gonna annoy people, drive them away, and depress your voter turnout; a surefire way to make sure the right remain in power. So those that participate in trashing the left or center, every time a politician does not deliver 100% of a wishlist (if they are voting eligible “Americans”) must be either stupid, or elephants in donkey costumes.
I mean what’s the in-between? Folks who studied Socialism and Communism but never studied how to fucking win something?.. maybe.
Or I suppose I can concede, you all far lefties are a separate faction, trying to make inroad to capture power over the rest of the left, as they see that is their only path to power.
Still kinda dumb too, as while it may be the only play, it just wouldn’t happen, and is a waste of effort.
You want to threaten and use any leverage against the left to effect policy? Well that is pretty useless while they don’t have power. So ya better get on the support train first - whinge later, program.
But you think that the right, sacrificing the left, is a way to get leftists in power? That doesn’t seem to make much sense to me.
The thing that the Democrats keep doing?
Who said anything about 100% ? I’d be OK with a lot less, yet the Democrats can’t even get that much.
Holy racism, Batman!?! Could you be more overt?
What I’ve studied, is Democrats openly failing to deliver even the basics of what their voters want. Remember when “Genocide is bad”, or “The economy is bad”, or “Torture is bad” was on the ballot, and the Democratic leadership couldn’t even stomach that little?
So you think that supporting basic human rights, and equality for all is “far left”?
And yet you think that voting in support of genocidists, rapits, and fascists supporters, is not a wasted effort?
“against the left” ? I’m not even sure what you mean by that. I’m explictly against the right. What have I said that is “against the left” ?
I also don’t understand this. I’m trying to stop the coopting of the left by Democrats. How is supporting the coopting-of-the-left going to give the left more power?
Let’s open up the liberal archives from 2024 to remind everyone here.
I wouldn’t waste your time, this guy doesn’t know the difference between left and right yet. I bet he still has to make an L with his hands and still fucks it up anyways.
I mostly agree with you, but these discussions are also about how pointing out flawed logic to a broader audience. There are other people who read these, but don’t participate in the discussion.
Good point
Uhh… no. This question doesn’t make sense to me.
Lol. If Democrats are driving away voters (to the right) you think even leftier policies will prevent them from voting right? Give.your.nuts.a.tug.
Maybe not much, but more than the right will get ya, right?
Racism… OP’s post pic litterally says, “U.S. Senate candidates debate…”, so this pertains to US politics. Hey also I patted my wife on the butt because she cooked me dinner tonight. Guess I’m a chauvinist…🤷
You might wanna read the stats. Look up what the Democrats have done in each of their last 3 administrations and look up what the Republicans have done for their last 3, and tell us which you prefer.
Lol! No. But I think you might misunderstand something here. Basic human rights and Equality for all, are not are not hand-in-hand. They are separate things.
Wow, what a comedy these questions are… Like, what? Which “genocidists”, and “rapits”, and “fascists” are you refering to?
No, what I’m saying… Far lefties use the leverage of vote-threat, “we’ll vote for someone else if you don’t do what we want”, often. Look how that worked out for Palistinian-Americans that voted for Trump because, “evil” Dems didn’t immediately cut money to Israel. Measurably worse. Shot themselves in the foot. Jared Kushner is probably got a deal going to put a golf course on those dumb voters collective Palistinian family-homes as we speak.
Coopting of what “left”? What “left” is it that you speak of that had power in the US? Your statement makes it sound like your trying saving some sacred civilization. But that never existed so, the fuck are you on about?
The left IS the Dems as it currently stands in the USA, take it or leave it, and that’s what you’re working with if you want any measurable outcome. To say otherwise is living in fairyland.
Stop trying to fracture the only shield you have on grounds of pedantry and idealism that cannot be achieved from this rung on the ladder. You have to get to the higher rung first before climbing higher.
We’re in a discussion about a right-wing party sacrificing their leftist voter-base to gain more right-wing votes. You seem to be advocating that will somehow get more power for the left.
Democrats are driving away voters by running to the right. They could run on more left-leaning policies, which are highly popular. You are the one advocating that they keep moving away from what their voters want.
Now your moving the goal-posts on this? 🙄
What are you talking about? What does that have to do with what we were discussing?
I have already done that. I even pointed out a lot of what they’ve done, but you decided to ignore that. Lets review other things that they did:
And there’s plenty more. Which of those should I be supportive of? Because they are pretty antithetical to what I want.
Yeah. I never claimed that they were. I’m claiming that those values aren’t “far left” as you stated they were.
The Democrats and Reupublicans, ICE, the police, the US military.
Vote-threat is how you leverage power. Look at what the strategy of “voting blue no matter who” has gotten us: Genocide and fascism. If the Democratic voters were willing to stop voting for fascism and genocide-supporters, and start leveraging that vote-threat, then we’d have a different party in power. One that wouldn’t be supporting fascism and genocide.
The protest voters didn’t shoot themselves in the foot, the Democrats aimed the gun at their foot, so that the Republicans could pull the trigger.
Wait, what are you talking about? Do you think that Palestinains get to vote in US elections? Or do you think that people against genocide lost their homes?
Hardly any because the Democrats keep coopting it.
What are you talking about? Where did I say anything like that? You are the one that made all that up.
No, the Dems are the right. They masquerade as the left. They are also the ones preventing us from having a measureable outcome.
What shield? I’m fighting against the group that keeps preventing us from having a shield.
You’re not going to convince people to vote for a party who did a genocide by minimizing genocide.
If the options are getting mouth-raped, or getting mouth-raped AND ass-raped, then actually yes, you absolutely can convince someone to choose (vote) for the minimal of those options. In fact the decision is the normal and not an outlier, for those with common sense.
Well its a good thing that we have more than two options to vote for.
No, you fucking literally can’t, as evidenced by Hilary Clinton losing the easiest race of all time, and then Kamala losing an even easier race not long after.
Jesus fucking christ, lol.