• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    Except the Democrats are not making improvements, they are perpetuating the system oppressing indigenous peoples with no desire to do what’s necessary for sovereignty. Token gestures are far below the minimum necessary. This is not a difficult problem to solve, it’s very easy to do, the problem is that there is no political will from the capitalist class to do so. The majority of my comrades are marginalized peoples from many backgrounds, we are all fighting for a better world. Because we understand history and dedicate our time and money to study and political activism, this shows us what’s actually both achievable and necessary.

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      Why do you keep calling protecting sacred tribal sites and tribal land a token gestures? Now many are open for oil exploitation with little Native input.

      It may be a “token gesture” to you, but it mattered to the groups you pretend to care for

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        Because at the same exact time, the Democrats strengthened the very apartheid system that to this day represents settler-colonial genocide. Why do you keep making light of this apartheid?

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          They are happy with shiny tokens. They want everyone to be thankful for crumbs and discards for the feudal lords and oligarchs.

          The nail that sticks out gets the hammer. They are the content with billions starving as long as they get rewarded by the Master. They hate you for telling them they’re enablers, not the good guys trying for a better path forward for humanity and the planet.

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            shiny tokens

            Imagine being this disrespectful to tribal members calling what they want “shiny tokens”. Literal colonizer behavior

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              They want self-determination. They want land back. Please, listen to them, rather than saying they are fine with better representaion within the same apartheid regime.

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                Why don’t you listen? Major tribal voices supported Harris because they knew Trump would take back the increased sovereignty they had gained.

                Now they have less self-determination because he won, and he’s trying constantly to erode more tribal rights.

                It was not perfect under Biden, far from it. It would not have been perfect under Harris. It was ultimately worse under Trump, and the tribes knew this would be the case. You decided they should suffer for your political rhetoric. It’s not about what they wanted it’s about what you wanted. You thought you knew better than them. It’s just the colonizer mindset

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                  Nah, you’re continuing to silence them. You keep minimizing settler-colonial genocide in favor of tokenization, that’s the colonizer mindset. Decolonization requires self-determination, not platitudes from the ones upholding the apartheid system. I work with indigenous organizers and study the history of settler-colonialism here, as a part of ongoing work. You silence indigenous voices, and tell them their calls for self-determination are too radical, and that they should be thankful for colonizers apologizing while perpetuating apartheid.

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                    tell them their calls for self-determination are too radical

                    Not once did I say this. They deserve more. I support all action peaceful to violent to further their rights. Burn the system

                    It’s so exhausting how you seem to think voting so things don’t get worse and advocating for more is impossible. All this mindset does is make things worse for the oppressed. Yet you ignore the clear evidence

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              You speak for all of them?

              You’re their european-colonizer assigned “Indian Agent”?

              …you assume too much and understand too little. Talk less and learn to listen/read more.

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                You were just speaking for the whole yourself calling well established tribal goals mere “shiny tokens”. Which is incredibly disrespectful and infatalizing. Like I said colonizer behavior.

                I think we can both agree there’s plenty of change that needs to happen, but I’ll never understand the desire you have to worsen the conditions of the oppressed to serve your rhetoric

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                  You were focused on it, not i. You assume I’m talking about people when I say shiny tokens because I guess you do think of them as tokens. That’s not what I said, but regardless. Forgive me for that choice of words and talk about the genocide.

                  You support the genocide overseen and enabled by Democrats under Biden and Harris? If not, why are you so offended by people criticizing your preferred political party? Do you approach politics like a team sport or something like most USians?

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                    You assume I’m talking about people when I say shiny tokens because I guess you do think of them as tokens

                    And you told me to read more? Re-read my statements. I was clearly pointing out how you call tribal goals “shiny tokens”. Which very clearly implies that you believe the goals of these tribal governments are trivial and that they don’t know better. You are using a colonizer mindset to trivialize the goals of Native peoples because you think you know what’s best for them. It’s disgusting