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Is Brave doing it - or is their AI agent doing it?
Anthropic, OpenAI, XAi, etc haven’t yet been proscuted for hacking various government website, so if it’s their ‘AI Agent’ doing it, surely they must be in the clear, since Sam and Dario aren’t yet in jail.
Zero useful information. Just quotes. What does brave do??
The court filing is linked in the first paragraph and worth a read. The article is a bit vague because the claims in the filing are pretty sweeping, but to list some highlights:
- Brave started selling copyrighted scraped articles in bulk from their search index to AI companies
- Brave built explicit and targeted functionality into their browser to circumvent newspaper paywalls
- Brave repeats long, verbatim sections of NYT & other papers’ material on request through their AI web search feature
I’m neither an attorney nor a huge fan of IP rights writ large, but in my reading, the newspapers are making a pretty strong case that Brave is consciously stealing and reselling copyrighted material in unaltered form for monetary gain.
IP rights are pretty awesome for a lot of engineers, writers and artists.
Regardless, anyone who’s paywall can be defeated by a little JS switcheroo has dogshit for a paywall. If I have apple trees in my yard, and my fence is made of 7 or 8 sticks, when people stop by and snack on an apple, should I be mad at them or myself?
Is it possible that Brave is accessing NYT through NYT subscribers using their browser?
Sure, but it might be hard for NYT to make the case for that. All the browser fingerprint would say is “Chrome” and have spoofed data after that.
I expect they did some trial and error to demonstrate what’s happening before filling a lawsuit over it.
That being said, NYT just told everyone how to get free NYT. Best advertising Brave ever had.
Also, I think the NYT made it easy to bypass so they can pick up the non-savvy or richer readers who otherwise wouldn’t pay for something that is literally free, while still not limitting access and thereby reach. It might not be incompetence.
It’s a hard balance to strike, because the best advertising for your paper is articles people send to each other. If nobody can read them, then nobody will become intrigued by a subscription, but if they are totally free nobody will bother subscribing.
That’s why some sites have a certain number of free articles a month.
Gotta say, all of that is on brand. Any company messing around with crypto has to have some shady tactics.
The paywall bypass is not like the others
Thank you for the summary. Ironically, this makes me want to try Brave again, ha.
I would love for someone to correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t brave one of the ones who would block the ads of a website just to see newer their own? So not only are you not supporting the website, you still see ads.
Yeah, they’re shady, no doubt, I won’t really try them again. I’ll keep using Firefox and Librewolf and I use Kagi for search and like their AI summaries. I do like tools for accessing gated news when I need it, though, which was what piqued my interest.
The newspapers said in the complaints, opens new tab that Brave illegally sells their content to AI companies including Anthropic, Perplexity and xAI — which are not defendants in the cases — in addition to infringing their copyrights by allowing users to access their articles for free
The outlets’ lawsuits filed on Monday said that Brave “acts both like a burglar that misappropriates the content of publishers, and an AI ‘fence’ that sells stolen content to third parties”
Yes I read that too. It’s all allegations still. Did brave make a home-IP botnet?
That moment when you don’t even know who you want to lose more
Brave is the commercial arm of a far right hate group.
I’d say that’s worse than a news website with paywalls.
Brave is the commercial arm of a far right hate group.
Do you mind providing more details, for those of us who aren’t informed about this? Is it something aside from their CEO?
Is it something aside from their CEO?
It’s the CEO and founder and that’s plenty.
Let their lawsuits be long and their lawyers slow and costly.
Maybe they lose on the paywall bypass but not on the AI bullshit.
Good, Brendan needs to pay for the shitshow that is javascript.
It’ll be interesting if they find it legal for the AI companies to buy the “stolen” data from Brave. Is this the limit of scraping for AI?
Not brave’s fault nyt code is bad
Just cause someone has a shitty door doesn’t mean its cool to just walk in their home and mess with stuff/them
You wouldn’t downlod a car, would you?
