• Doomsider@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    I hate to be that guy, but without workers owning the means of production there is no socialism period. There may be socialist policies, but that is something completely different.

    Capitalism is only somewhat efficient at distributing wages during the small market phase. The problem is of course no one has been able to reel in selfishness or corruption under any current system whether it is communism or capitalism (socialism on a large scale has never existed). And just to be clear, governments identifying as socialist do not fucking count without workers owning the means of production.

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      Dismissing past socialist projects is not very helpful to actually achieving socialism/commumism. Even though they weren’t always ideologically clean they still had a lot of aspects of a socialist economy.

      Socialism can also be laid out it different strategies making the definition not always be completely accurate. Cuba and the USSR were big steps in the development of socialism and its theory.

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        7 days ago

        When has any country obtained the simple ideals of socialism.

        Socialism and its wanna-be special ed cousin communism are DOA at this point to me and I would wager most other people as well. I fully believe they can be reborne into a new system and philosophy for our more modern era learning from the mistakes of the past and I look forward to this.