• HalfSalesman@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    3 hours ago

    I got into an argument once with my dad about abortion. And he told me “You know, you should be totally against abortion. You’d not exist if I managed to convince your mom to abort you.” As an argument to limit abortion access.

    Obviously a fucked up thing to say to your own kid, but also it kind of was like: I wouldn’t give a shit if you had, I wouldn’t exist essentially. Kind of wish you’d convinced her TBH.

    • Drusas@fedia.io
      1·
      7 minutes ago

      At one point, somehow the topic of abortion came up while my father was visiting me from the other side of the country. I basically said that I have zero tolerance for anti-choice sentiment and he kept trying to argue with me about it, and I told him eventually that that sort of talk wasn’t welcome in my house.

      He tried to “win” me over by saying that I wouldn’t be here if my parents believed in abortion (my mother is actually pro-choice just would never abort herself, but I didn’t get into that). I told him that would be fine. I would never have even known that I didn’t exist.

      I know that is the common response, but it’s true, and it also actually shut him up. That and I think he believed me when I told him that he would not be welcome back in my house if he continued that kind of talk.

      • Omnipitaph@reddthat.com
        2·
        5 hours ago

        If it was alive and then isn’t, it is dead. That’s what dead means. A fetus that died in the womb is still dead, and died, and there is no other way to define what unborn is than to describe it as a previously living entity; thus dead.

          • Instigate@aussie.zone
            1·
            2 hours ago

            I don’t think “it can’t continue living on its own” is a good measure of whether or not something is alive or a separate organism. Even after birth a baby human can’t “continue living on its own” without being provided for. A parasitic creature can’t “continue living on its own” without a host. A severely injured person can’t “continue living on its own” without life support. Pretty easy argument for even a stupid forced-birther to deconstruct.

          • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            6 hours ago

            True, but only due to current technology. With an artificial womb it would eventually develop into a person, unlike, say, an organ.

            • rockerface🇺🇦@lemmy.cafeEnglish
              7·
              6 hours ago

              I mean, with cloning technology any cells could develop into a person. Doesn’t mean we should count my hand as a separate living thing.

              • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                2·
                6 hours ago

                A fetus is considerably further along than just a random cell. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to make a distinction there.

          • Omnipitaph@reddthat.com
            1·
            5 hours ago

            This does not actually refute the claim that the fetus would be dead. I’m not actually sure if you’re contesting anything.

              • Omnipitaph@reddthat.com
                2·
                5 hours ago

                Do you think women are conceiving intern minerals in their womb? What is this question xD I’m going to assume you’re having a laugh, because by every metric a fetus is alive. If those cells are multiplying, consuming various stuff to continue multiplying; the fetus is alive. If the fetus, removed from its source of food, dies; it must be alive. If you removed me from all sources of food, I too would die.

                If you have a compelling argument, I’d love to hear it though.

  • The Mop Lord@moplemmy.fyi
    54·
    8 hours ago

    This is like the Batman refusing to kill killers thing but better cause it involves unprotected sex, my favorite kind.