tl;dw their performance numbers don’t match up to what we’ve seen in the past. Some pretty significant decreases in performance over Windows. I think there’s clearly some sort of configuration error there. They also ran into the old dual-boot problem where Windows overwrites the Linux partition.
In my opinion this is lazy and irresponsible reporting. I don’t at all mean to discount his experience, they are legitimate concerns, and it’s fine to show the struggles of using Linux, but it’s very clear he (admittedly) doesn’t know what he’s doing, and they need to consult an expert (or even a casual user) to figure out what the problem is before reporting. He said in the last video that Bazzite reached out to him to let them know if he has any problems so they could help but he obviously did not do that. As is, it just makes Linux/Bazzite look bad.
I hope he follows up with another video discussing the solutions.
What do you think?
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This is a shame to see. I haven’t watched Jay recently because I feel like his content has kind of gone the Linus route of being more entertainment focused vs a channel like GN where they have very strict and regimented testing methodology. Even as entertainment though, I think this needelessly smears Bazzite. His experience is valid, but the conclusion being “the OS’s fault” or “Linux not being there yet” is kinda harmful. Yes, kernal level anti-cheat is a huge problem. But as a lifelong Windows user who myself converted last year and has not had to go back because all the games I want to play work, my experience has been that my games run better through Proton than they do natively on Windows. I hope there’s a followup at some point soon where he tries again with a fresh install on its own drive. Even if the reporting isn’t scientific (it doesn’t have to be), I would expect his experience to be better.
All I know is I finally migrated my gaming desktop to Linux 3 years ago as my last hold out system and the only windows machine I’ve had since 2009. I haven’t noticed anything in terms of reduction in performance. Not to mention the ease of use when compared to getting Debian running on my laptop in 2009.
But more importantly to me, when I click shutdown, my machine shuts down within 5 seconds. When I start up I’m not spammed a million times over with ads and bullshit. And when I update and reboot, my updates are done, no more update, reboot, update some more, reboot, etc.
Let’s say Linux performance is worse than windows (has not been my experience), I would take that and not have all the other bullshit.
I find it very interesting that as a windows user, for years learning the OS was this collaborative effort for me and the community at large. Wed google everything, find obscure forums with equally obscure sollutions, and then eventually youtube tutorials. It was always a community educatiing themselves further in infinite directions.
Why does it seem like people dont want this with linux? I get that it might be too slow for some people and they just need something to “work”. I see so many people on various comment sections saying “yeah i tried it had issues and switched back” basically the same experience that the video portrayed. Why was that same person able to suffer through windows for 25+years but this is just “too much”.
I personally feel that most of the linux community has been a breath of fresh air. I feel stupid sure, but at the same time its rewarding to communicate with others and find a solution.
Even some people within the linux community feel this way, telling users to simply read the man page or the official forums to find solutions rather than teach them to use the man pages and arch wiki for example. Its honestly baffling to me on both ends.
Open question to all: what is your level of profiency? How do you learn about linux? Do you think there is a problem or is it a loud minority of users?
What I think:
If i install Windows, latest drivers and steam I am set. No need to know what i am doing, no need to consult an expert. Just: Next, next finish, yes yes, sure, here is the soul of my first born, next yes, sure. Fuck off with that edge update. Yes next end.
The moment bootloaders etc can break, whatever the cause, is the moment you lose 60% of your users.
The moment you need to consult an expert to game you lose another 20%.
That’s what he’s doing. He is not catering or talking to you, the experienced Linux user, he’s talking to your nephew who just finished building his first game pc. He’s saying: You little guy… don’t bother just yet. Get acquainted with everything and then try this.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ average non-linux tech youtuber video. Something goes wrong on windows = user error, something goes bad on linux = OS fault
They also ran into the old dual-boot problem where Windows overwrites the Linux partition.
This one kinda makes me laugh tho. Other than work I don’t know why people would put up with that level of bullshitery from an OS
The fact that M$ forced uefi on everyone then couldn’t implement it properly on their own and does this fuckery instead, should make it very clear the quality of the rest of their work.
It’s not like it was an accident or that they didn’t know what they were doing. This is working as intended as far as they’re concerned.
That’s why I put my Windows install and my Linux install on separate drives. I understand that not everyone has two drives to do this, but to anyone who does, it can save some headaches.
I did that and windows still somehow fucked up my secure boot enrollment for Bazzite when I did an update.
I don’t have secure boot set up, and I’m afraid to enable it. I’m not sure what it will do to both OSes…
