I’ve been thinking about which is the better way to shop to maintain privacy. The way I see it there are pros and cons to each but I can’t decide which is ultimately better (and of course it depends on threat model and who you’re trying to hide from)

Irl

Pro

  • Retailer doesn’t need your address/phone number/email address to complete a transaction
  • If you pay with cash, your bank doesn’t have details of what you bought and can’t sell it to data brokers

Con

  • Most/all stores have security cameras (often with facial recognition). You can mitigate it with masks or other coverings but I’ve seen a few stores now locally that don’t allow masks or raised hoodies

Online

Pro

  • Your shopping is kept from prying eyes as far as security cameras go

Con

  • If you buy something to be delivered, the retailer usually wants your address, email and phone number, and (unless using a gift card) your credit card info
  • Even if you buy something to collect in store, most still require a phone number which can be hard to make private if burner phones aren’t legal where you live and/or the retailer won’t accept VoIP numbers
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    1 day ago

    IRL : I’d argue most security cameras are, AFAIK, on closed circuits. I don’t think they can upload the data somewhere nor keep it for a long time. Also it takes quite a bit of power to process so unless there is a good reason for it, I doubt anybody nor even a computer vision algorithm, will process it to the point of face recognition.

    Online : virtual credit card (not sure if they need your name) + PO box, post office or next door store compatible with the online shop. Most online shop I know do NOT require a mobile phone number. They might have a field for it but they are not using it for e.g. 2FA so if you were, by mistake or not, to put a random number I don’t think it would matter.

    So at least some of the constraints can be changed.

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      IRL : I’d argue most security cameras are, AFAIK, on closed circuits. I don’t think they can upload the data somewhere nor keep it for a long time

      It does depend. Most big retailers share CCTV footage with each other through a central company to build a profile on shoplifters (though I wouldn’t trust them to use it only for that)

      Most online shop I know do NOT require a mobile phone number.

      This definitely hasn’t been my experience though. I can’t remember the last time I saw an online retailer that didn’t require one, or at least require that the field be filled out. I suppose you could just enter a dummy number but then if there’s a problem with the delivery they’ll always try to contact you by phone first

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        15 hours ago

        I actually asked this morning at the post office specifically thinking about your remarks.

        They do sell non denominative credit cards here. So your card is KYC (I imagine, I don’t think it’s possible to go around that) and they know who you are, ID and all, but stores, online or not, have no name associated to it.

        Regarding online stores I do again advise to be cautious and not assume that because a contact field is there, it is mandatory. Yes it might be important for deliveries of parcels but that’s a moot point if delivery happens to a 24/7 box.