• Alphane Moon@lemmy.worldOP
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      13 hours ago

      If you owe the bank $100, that’s your problem; if you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem.

      • Kirp123@lemmy.world
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        12 hours ago

        The difference between 100 million and 11.5 billion is about 11 billion. If you own a bank 11 billion that’s not only that bank’s problem, it’s the economy’s problem.

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              10 hours ago

              Well, if you want to get exact, sure. But if we’re talking about half units, like 11 and a half billion, then 11.4 is so close to 11.5 there’s no difference and calling it just about 11 sorta implies that it’s a more significant difference IMO

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                You need to be as precise as your resolution, otherwise the precision is meaningless. I guess you could argue that your resolution is units of half-billion (since some things are measured like that), but the initial value of 0.1B, and your use of 0.5 rather than ‘half’ suggests a resolution of 0.1B.

                This is different to the aphorism ‘The difference between a million and a billion is about a billion’, both because of the difference in scale, and the quoted resolution.

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                  2 hours ago

                  If a man worth 11.5 billion loses 100 million, it affects him less than you or I losing a thousand. In fact it doesn’t affect him.

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                  59 seconds is 1000000000000 pico seconds away from a minute, so I’m not sure you could say 59 seconds is “so close” to a minute.

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          So I wondered a bit how much it actually affects the economy.

          “S&P 500” companies’ market cap is about 57 trillion dollars with a P/E ratio of about 30. So openai by itself is dragging down the total s&p 500 earnings by only about 0.5%. The bigger problem is that there are multiple companies like openAI, and a large chunk of the entire economy’s valuation is tied to the promise that all the AI companies will somehow become profitable sometime soon.

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            5 hours ago

            When you put it that way, I’m actually kind of mad. Most of my retirement is in index funds, so essentially OpenAI just pissed away half a percent of my life savings in the last quarter!

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            7 hours ago

            According to this article written in July, it’s a bit more dire than that if you take a step or two back. Basically, openai and their copycats/derivatives are being held up by investments from Microsoft, Google, Amazon, and Meta, who in turn are being held up by investments from Nvidia. If/when the whole chain collapses it’ll be more than 0.5% of earnings that disappear.

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            7 hours ago

            If OpenAI goes down then it will start a domino effect as people lose confidence in AI and AI companies. That’s how the bubble pops.

        • Alphane Moon@lemmy.worldOP
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          10 hours ago

          I was referring to the general concept behind the quote.

          I originally want to post the OG (apocryphal?) variant:

          Owe Your Banker £1,000 and You Are at His Mercy; Owe Him £1 Million and the Position Is Reversed

          But it sounds rather quaint these days.

        • gian @lemmy.grys.it
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          Partially, if OpenAI lose 11.5 billion, someone get 11.5 billion, the money is used to pay something it did not vanish in a cloud