It does work for people who value their wellbeing more than they value the information they remember. For remembering stuff there may be some medical injestions before torture.
No, there is no medical injections, they only exist in badly written novels. In reality yeah, people will talk, they will talk so much you wouldn’t be able to shut them up. What you can’t have is the reliable information, people will tell you everything they think you want to hear so you wouldn’t worsen their wellbeing. And you can’t know at all, did they tell you the truth, or what they think you want them to say. You might as well ask an LLM for information. The only difference is, LLM is not an entity and can’t feel pain, and that’s probably the main purpose of torture.
I remember many years ago reading the findings of a study done by the US military about the info that they got out of people at Guantanamo Bay, and basically running out into a field and shouting “Are there any terrorists here??” was more or less as useful, and any field info -regardless of how much or how little - was way more accurate and useful. By the time you even get somebody in front of the torturers, what they know is probably outdated, and you’re more likely to get false info than anything true anyway because people will tell you whatever you want to hear to make it stop, even if they have to make shit up right then and there.
That still doesn’t mean you’re gonna remember it. I forget my master password all the time. Torture would just ensure I’d forget it even worse.
That’s the whole thing with torture. It demonstrably doesn’t work, but people who use it aren’t the people who’re concerned with scientific reality
It does work for people who value their wellbeing more than they value the information they remember. For remembering stuff there may be some medical injestions before torture.
No, there is no medical injections, they only exist in badly written novels. In reality yeah, people will talk, they will talk so much you wouldn’t be able to shut them up. What you can’t have is the reliable information, people will tell you everything they think you want to hear so you wouldn’t worsen their wellbeing. And you can’t know at all, did they tell you the truth, or what they think you want them to say. You might as well ask an LLM for information. The only difference is, LLM is not an entity and can’t feel pain, and that’s probably the main purpose of torture.
Yeah. Trevor in GTA 5 explains the concept quite well. I’m paraphrasing but he says that torture is done for the act itself and not to get information
I remember many years ago reading the findings of a study done by the US military about the info that they got out of people at Guantanamo Bay, and basically running out into a field and shouting “Are there any terrorists here??” was more or less as useful, and any field info -regardless of how much or how little - was way more accurate and useful. By the time you even get somebody in front of the torturers, what they know is probably outdated, and you’re more likely to get false info than anything true anyway because people will tell you whatever you want to hear to make it stop, even if they have to make shit up right then and there.