Well that’s kinda missing the context of the Balfour Declaration, especially within the larger historical framework of the First World War, the Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire, and the Sykes-Picot Agreement.
That was pretty recent history for the first offer in your link. I’m not exactly surprised Palestinians wanted all their land back at the time.
Couple sources would also do that magazine a favour. Not that I’d trust it anyway with that tone of writing and being so brief about complex geopolitical history. At least include who did the rejection and with what reasoning.
I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on the topic and all. I just happened to come in here from c/all and thought I might learn something interesting from your link, but it really seems like it’s missing too much for that.
I’m not exactly surprised Palestinians wanted all their land back at the time
Nobody was proposing taking anyone’s land away from them though. They were proposing that a small amount of the area that had a Jewish majority could be under Jewish governance. Everyone gets to keep “their land”.
thought I might learn something interesting from your link
Scepticism is a good thing but this information is just basic history and is freely available on Wikipedia and other sources. That’s where I recommend learning the history of the conflict instead of memes on social media like the OP that present a totally made up version of history in order to promote a political agenda.
Nobody was proposing taking land from them though.
I mean just the Peel Commission on its own was abandoned because it would have required displacing a large number of Arabs. Palestine was 3% Jewish in 1917. You can see why a 20-80 split could be a problem.
Scepticism is a good thing but this information is just basic history and is freely available on Wikipedia and other sources.
I agree. My issue was with your original link. I mentioned the Balfour Declaration because it’s a pretty good starting point on Wikipedia that I had read myself.
memes on social media like the OP that present a totally made up version of history in order to promote a political agenda
To me, OP’s post reads as a political cartoon that captures sentiment at the current moment. Not to mention the part where Palestine wasn’t given/offered independent statehood during the creation of Israel, so in some ways that is true as well.
Also none of that really changes the fact that Palestine finally getting statehood when most of its land is lost and its people are victims of an ongoing genocide seems far too late. Whether the people who represented Palestine in the past shoulder some blame for not making concessions is an interesting conversation, but it doesn’t matter much for the message OP is conveying in my opinion.
But again, I’m no historian. I’m not even someone who has enough time to really research this and present a properly informed opinion. Just some random guy who thought your original link seemed pretty superficial and biased.
What does getting to be under jewish governance mean in this context?
Surely you can’t be arguing for cultural or religious majority to be sufficient for taking land away. Otherwise more populous countries could flood land of others and claim rights to it.
They were offered a state a bunch of times.
https://lawandsocietymagazine.com/how-palestine-rejected-offer-to-have-its-own-state-5-times-in-the-past
Well that’s kinda missing the context of the Balfour Declaration, especially within the larger historical framework of the First World War, the Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire, and the Sykes-Picot Agreement.
That was pretty recent history for the first offer in your link. I’m not exactly surprised Palestinians wanted all their land back at the time.
Couple sources would also do that magazine a favour. Not that I’d trust it anyway with that tone of writing and being so brief about complex geopolitical history. At least include who did the rejection and with what reasoning.
I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on the topic and all. I just happened to come in here from c/all and thought I might learn something interesting from your link, but it really seems like it’s missing too much for that.
Nobody was proposing taking anyone’s land away from them though. They were proposing that a small amount of the area that had a Jewish majority could be under Jewish governance. Everyone gets to keep “their land”.
Scepticism is a good thing but this information is just basic history and is freely available on Wikipedia and other sources. That’s where I recommend learning the history of the conflict instead of memes on social media like the OP that present a totally made up version of history in order to promote a political agenda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum_Resolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realignment_plan
I mean just the Peel Commission on its own was abandoned because it would have required displacing a large number of Arabs. Palestine was 3% Jewish in 1917. You can see why a 20-80 split could be a problem.
I agree. My issue was with your original link. I mentioned the Balfour Declaration because it’s a pretty good starting point on Wikipedia that I had read myself.
To me, OP’s post reads as a political cartoon that captures sentiment at the current moment. Not to mention the part where Palestine wasn’t given/offered independent statehood during the creation of Israel, so in some ways that is true as well.
Also none of that really changes the fact that Palestine finally getting statehood when most of its land is lost and its people are victims of an ongoing genocide seems far too late. Whether the people who represented Palestine in the past shoulder some blame for not making concessions is an interesting conversation, but it doesn’t matter much for the message OP is conveying in my opinion.
But again, I’m no historian. I’m not even someone who has enough time to really research this and present a properly informed opinion. Just some random guy who thought your original link seemed pretty superficial and biased.
What does getting to be under jewish governance mean in this context? Surely you can’t be arguing for cultural or religious majority to be sufficient for taking land away. Otherwise more populous countries could flood land of others and claim rights to it.