• shalafi@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    If the natives are outgunned and technologically outclassed, how are they to prevail without help from “the inside”? Otherwise it’s just a depressing plot about the natives getting overrun.

    the natives are incapable of helping themselves

    I’m having trouble thinking of a time when the natives were able to help themselves against colonizers. OTOH, guerilla warfare has worked pretty damned well in the last century.

    • DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works
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      Why is “it’s realistic” the line your drawing on a space colonization movie?

      Your entire premise of “the natives are out gunned” is dripping with white colonization. Why are they always out gunned? Why not show them capable and holding their own and are helped out by “insiders”.

      Its a fantasy story, and there’s tons of ways to do it without relying on the racist “natives are primitives” narrative.

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        Logically, any colonizer will only proceed if they out gun the natives. Otherwise it’s not colonization, but war. And even then in war, the attacker usually figures they have a significant advantage, or else they wouldn’t attack.

      • Sentient Loom@sh.itjust.works
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        Why is “it’s realistic” the line your drawing on a space colonization movie?

        There have to be some kind of rules or else there’s no tension. It must be realistic within the rules of the story.

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      I’m having trouble thinking of a time when the natives were able to help themselves against colonizers.

      Well, there’s Ethiopia, and uh… it’s a pretty short list.

      (I’d also give an honorable mention to Haiti, although the oppressed people in that case were imported African slaves, not natives. By the time of the Haitian Revolution, the indigenous Taíno had long since been pretty much wiped out.)

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        Isn’t any territorial war won by the attacked party an example? Like, the aggressors never start being successful colonizers because they don’t win, but they would have colonized the land if they’d won.

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      It reinforces the idea that the only way we can understand meeting any new culture or group is through conflict … that one or the other has to overpower one another and win … that everything is automatically a contest of winners and losers.

      We can’t imagine a world where we actually cooperate with one another and live in some kind of harmony. Partly because we as a species have seldom been like that and the other being that we find that story kind of boring. We prefer a world of constant conflict and fighting.

      We also enjoy cheering for the underdog and listening to fanciful stories of them winning over the oppressor … the classic David and Goliath story … where the little guy gets to win. Only problem is, all throughout our actual human history, the big guy, the strongest and most wealthy always wins and destroys the little guy. It’s a fantasy we like to perpetuate to make ourselves feel good about the terrible reality we actually we live in.