where do you stand on the socialist spectrum? i’ll start: my socialist views are a fusion of market socialism, welfarism, georgism and left-libertarianism - i took the leftvalues quiz (as shown in the photo attached in this post), and i got “centrist marxism”. you DON’T have to take the quiz though.
EDIT: i just added the link
yeah the link does not apparently send me to the area where you elaborate. I gave up at a certain point. Using group names and such when it should be more generically phrased just makes it wierd. Environmental concerns are not something about being socialist, its about seeing whats happening and having some intelligence. I don’t view socialism and capitalism the way these are like im much more of a spectrum person with socialism/capitalism and democracy/authoritarianism.
Socialism and capitalism aren’t really a spectrum, if anything they are bimodal. Socialism is a mode of production where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes in control of the state, capitalism is where private ownership is the principle aspect and capitalists in charge. Democracy and authority aren’t contrary to each other, what matters is which class holds that authority, the working classes or capitalist class.
yeah see all that is exactly why these things don’t jive with me. Its like you have to buy in to the definitions of things in a very specific way. basically for me socialism is a spectrum of social democracy where maybe the far end is what socialists call socialism and capitalism is along the same spectrum. Then for me democracy is about each individual having an equal hold to authority to another. This actually is one thing about communities. So few define themselves in the sidebar and two communities could have the same name but the makers/moderators could be viewing what it should be like very differently. I wish more would spend some time to figure out what will go there before they even make the community.
People value and use definitions that accurately describe reality and its relation. Democracy is quite literally rule by the majority, and it isn’t counterposed to the working classes forcibly nationalizing industry held by capitalists. Such an action is “authoritarian” yet absolutely democratic. Socialism and capitalism aren’t a spectrum, because you can’t have classes sharing power over the state equally. As such, either public or private ownership will be principle, either the bourgeoisie or proletariat will be in control of the state. There’s variance in socialization, but fundamentally the “centerpoint” doesn’t exist.
A democracy deciding to nationalize an industry is not authoritarian to me. I do believe in individual rights and such but that again has to be determined in a democractic process. So any restriction to democracy must come from a democratic process. We are just going to disagree on the spectrum thing because we define them differently.