• starik@lemmy.zip
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    The double standard is funny. If the US or UK did something like this, we’d (rightly) consider it xenophobic and condemn it. But with Japan, we’re like “Yes! You must secure the existence of your people and a future for Japanese children!”

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      It is about learning the language of the country if you’d like to stay with no restrictions. There’s plenty of other crap in Japan you can call Xenophobic, but being at a minimum proficiency with the local language of a country you’d like to live in for an indeterminate amount of time is not it.

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        While this is generally a pretty reasonable ask in most situations, it seems like now is the worst possible time for them to make immigration more difficult. The coming demographic collapse is not a question of “if,” but “how bad,” at this point. Even if their birth rate proportionally climbs to the highest in the world magically over night, they are still looking at severe issues, and now many of those new births will still be dependants when it happens. They should really be incentivising immigration as hard as they can to take the edge off of what is coming at this point.

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          Sure, you are probably right about that. But I never argued against that, I just disagree that this a prime example of Japanese xenophobia.

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      You might need to prove your knowledge of the English language if you’re 18 or over and applying for citizenship or to settle in the UK (known as ‘indefinite leave to remain’).

      You can prove it by having either:

      • an English qualification at B1, B2, C1 or C2 level
      • a degree taught or researched in English

      https://www.gov.uk/english-language

      A. Educational Requirements

      An officer administers a naturalization test to determine whether an alien meets the English and civics requirements.[1] > The naturalization test consists of two components:

      • English language proficiency, which is determined by the alien’s ability to read, write, speak and understand English; and

      https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-e-chapter-2

      They already do it, there is no double standard here.

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        In the US, there is no language test for a green card. There is for naturalization though.

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          The US didn’t have an official language for a reason. Which is exactly why Trump said it’s English in a 2025 executive order.

          We are a nation of immigrants, something that Republicans want everyone to forget

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      Japan’s in general is quite xenophobic, and I’m actually surprised it wasn’t a requirement already.

      The US doesn’t have an official language, so it would be weird to enforce English (for example). US is also full of immigrant/colonizers, so xenophobia is a bit weird there – it’s pulling up the ladder.

      I agree the double standard is funny, these were just some related thoughts.

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        The US doesn’t have an official language

        I thought the same, but apparently Trump made it English this year with an executive order.

        Because of course he fucking did.

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        The US doesn’t have an official language, it also doesn’t have an official national casserole.

        English proficiency is required by law in a lot of places for various things; you’ll find it in just about every subpart of FAR parts 61 and 65, for example.

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      the US doesn’t have an official language, so it’d technically be hard to enforce. It never had one because they knew there was always a chance that the language used could change at a given point.