• Tinidril@midwest.social
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    18 hours ago

    The Holocaust industry only took off after the 70s and mostly because intense Israeli lobbying efforts.

    What the fuck? Where do you think Israel as a Jewish ethno-state came from? Nobody gave a shit about Jews and the Holocaust, yet the western world decided out of nowhere to create a new state for Jews right after the Holocaust?

    There is no such thing as the “current Israeli government”. Israel is a Jewish supremacist ethnostate

    Yes, it is, and the current government is the worst possible instantiation of that. An Israel that wasn’t continuing to colonize new Palestinian land and wasn’t committing a Palestinian genocide would still be a Jewish supremacist ethno-state. Even so, it’s entirely within Israel’s power to reform an egalitarian government with equal rights for everyone - not that I’m expecting it. That’s three different models of Israel that are all entirely possible, so yeah, the current government is a thing that matters.

    Israeli citizens are, as a group, pretty damn fascist. However, Jews outside of Israel are largely against the settlements and the genocide. Those Jews have to deal with the stain of the Zionist enterprise.

    The entire industrial revolution was powered by slavery. Your logic makes no sense.

    The entire industrial revolution? Uh, nope. Would the industrial revolution have happened without slavery? Yeah, I think it would have. Economically, slavery wasn’t as efficient or “necessary” as the South claimed. Cotton farming or other slavery dominated industries didn’t suddenly cease when slavery ended, (or technically was curtailed in most cases).

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      8 hours ago

      Israel came from rich Zionist Jewish influence in Britain and the world Zionist congress, leading up to the Balfour declaration. And colonization of Palestine and organizing before the Balfour declaration. This way before the Holocaust even happened. More Russians died during the Holocaust than Jews and the vast majority of Europeans don’t even know that. It certainly has nothing to do with guilt.

      You should really check up on your history. The industrial revolution happened because Europe had massive amounts of money to build schools and infrastructure from slavery.

      After that Europe exploited colonies in Africa for oil and other resources.

      Now that European colonization and theft is fading they are rapidly declining in wealth. Which is why they are gearing up with big weapons because exploiting the global south is the only way they know how to get ahead.

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        1 hour ago

        Modern Israel was founded in 1948. Before that it was “British Palestine”. If you really want to push it back it time, you might as well go back to the 17th century BC, but that would also be rather silly.

        You no guys are a waste of my time. I’m done. Later.