Christmas has divorced so far from its religious origins that assuming you need to be religious or white to know these songs is… A rather ignorant view point on the history of the holiday and other winter time festivals. Exist in any country during the season and you quickly pick up on the local traditional songs and realize there’s many of the same just translated though time.
Christmas is celebrated in basically every country on earth in some fashion. It has different names or variations, but many of the older songs and traditions remain intact for the most part.
If I recall India’s variation of the holiday is called the bada din.
Winter festivals are absurdly common in every culture and thanks to the British Christmas has basically absorbed or been absorbed into damn well near all of them.
Hell that’s part of the reason some people say it should be Xmas not Christmas. Because really that’s what it is, a generic religious, sacred or otherwise noteworthy festival.
X denotes just how wide spread and all encompassing it has become.
Xmas is one of the few celebrations that nearly every human on this planet all collectively engage with. It’s one of the only unifying days we all agree to be nice to each other.
American, Chinese, Indian, Brazilian, Australian, Taiwanese, Peruvian, Japanese, you name it and they have a version of Xmas be it straight Christmas or a local version of it.
Be it a simple holiday, a national festival or just a simple religious observation.
It’s one of the only good things to have ever come from the age of empire and conquest.
This is the type of shit that needs to die as we approach “Woke 2.0” as leftist ideas are gaining momentum again. It’s so fucking unhelpful and useless. Glad you’re being downvoted.
I want healthcare, affordable housing, and BOTH of the people on this app to be paid a wage that allows them to thrive from their labor.
This person attempted to make a joke and failed. That’s it. You don’t need to say this shit. It doesn’t help anyone but yourself. I don’t care if every white person is cringe. I care that every worker is able to thrive. You need to purge this radlib shit from your brain.
It’s like if someone attempted to make a joke related to Star Wars and it failed. A lot of people know Star Wars. But a lot of people don’t. That is all this is the equivalent of. Stop trying to white knight every conversation. People can’t stand you. Seriously. Rethink what purpose you’re actually serving with this type of criticism.
Oh yeah, no one ever got popular or suddenly culturally relevant arguing about this shit. My comment isn’t the mkst replied to here. It’s best if there’s no debate on Lemmy, arguing doesn’t drive people to interact. No Lemmy should be a place of quiet and empty agreement or reflection.
Your answer to what I said is that people got popular being radlibs on the internet?
Like, this is what lack of reading does to a mother fucker. When I asked you to reflect on what purpose your commentary actually serves all you could think about was individuals getting popular? That says a lot. Just hyper individualistic world view.
I wasnt stopping debate. We are literally discussing it right now. I was telling you you’re comments were useless and borderline harmful to any momentum to a leftward shift.
You seem more concerned about woke scolding people than actually looking to make improvements in material change for the groups you supposedly are defending here.
Again, absolute radlib substanceless dribble. I think you’re beyond helping. But I’m glad to see people aren’t falling for this bullshit anymore. You’re not a leftist. You’re a right winger. I hope you can understand that.
Yeah, I just meant the recipient was making a cultural reference. The comment that I replied to complained about a white person making a comment specific to their own culture. Ironically, the person who wrote that comment was arguably being more culturally insensitive by assuming that the DoorDasher wouldn’t understand a cultural reference
Yeah, I can’t wait until questions about Rudolf and the One horse open sleigh are on the citizenship test (everyone knkws that just by living here right?)… Who knows, maybe you’re right and that question is already on the citizenship test?
You don’t need to know cultural trivia to become a citizen. Especially not all of it. But when a person is living somewhere (which you don’t need to be a citizen to do), that person tends to be exposed to the culture.
As well, this could just be someone familiar with the culture who missed a pun because they’re thinking about work.
I’m not sure what caused you to get so worked up about this. The joke is perfectly reasonable to make, and there’s the chance that the Dasher learned a bit of cultural trivia thanks to this joke. Or they learned that they missed a pun and may get to have a laugh about it in hindsight. There’s no harm or foul here.
Assuming they are Hindu it would be their bada din! Xmas has local versions in basically every country on earth. It’s one of the only holidays that basically every human on this planet celebrates. Xmas is kind of turned into an amalgamation of every winter festival. Every country that’s ever been touched by empire has ever had.
One of the really good things to ever come out of that era. Started kind of bad but with time it’s allowed everyone to have a unified single holiday that we can all agree to be good to each other on while also giving everyone the ability to make it their own.
It’s why it should be Xmas not Christmas. Because everyone can enjoy a mas.
I’m actually starting to wonder if they’ve got a bot going on their account now. It just seems to be giving generic “angry internet replies” to every comment that replies to it, now
Your approach would have you assume this potential brown person doesn’t understand cultural norms therefore you must treat them differently than you’d treat others due to their ethnicity. That doesnt sound very inclusive to me.
Fun fact they have bada den which is Christmas… Basically every country has their own version and they all come from the some amalgam of winter festivals.
Shitty jobs are worked by all kinds of people, and all of those kinds of people I’ve met while working shitty jobs appreciate a good laugh and break from the monotony of the shitty job.
I like how in the face of literally everyone you’ve interacted with telling you that you’re wrong and confirming it, you’ve decided tripling down is still the play.
I’m just proud we’ve moved past this. Lemmy is largely left leaning in my experience. And it’s nice to see radlibs getting dunked on. Means we’ve purged a lot this useless woke scolding performative garbage.
By this point in time most radlibs have shifted to be reactionaries. The kind of people calling ICE on their undocumented neighbors because they found out someone in their family voted for Trump.
This idiots comments actually ended up making me positive for the future; just from the reactions to them.
The kind of people calling ICE on their undocumented neighbors because they found out someone in their family voted for Trump.
That is insane, yeah I’m glad too. I really do hope we can turn this ship around, I’ve been stressing the fuck out about all this since forever now and I too hope that all this small shit that doesn’t have consequence gets removed from the conversation. I’m glad it’s happening here, I just hope it sticks on a larger scale.
Your baseline assumption here is that interaction with another person is burdensome. Most people don’t feel that way, and if they do, they probably don’t work in the service industry.
So, presuming the doordasher finds human interaction to be neutral (neither good nor bad), and understanding that the customer is not making the joke at the expenses of the door dasher, I fail to see how this is a problem, even if the dasher doesn’t get it. Someone trying to share a joke with you, even if you don’t get it, is usually perceived as friendly.
Dude I make cultural references all the time. I don’t really give a shit if the recipient gets it 100% of the time. A 20% hit rate is enough for me, because it’s amusing when a stranger picks up on my reference to The Office or Arrested Development or I Think You Should Leave or whatever. And if my reference misses, whatever. I’m just having fun with my interactions with others. If they have fun, too, great. If not, too bad, I was still entertained myself.
Such a dumb entitled white person set of assumptions being made here:
My door dasher will be from a white Christian culture, so will know Christmas songs.
My door dasher enjoys their job so much they’ll surely enjoy my extra chatter and my hilarious banter!
Mother fucker, your door dasher working Christmas is probably a hindu guy who has no clue what you’re on about. Hence the answer they gave.
Christmas has divorced so far from its religious origins that assuming you need to be religious or white to know these songs is… A rather ignorant view point on the history of the holiday and other winter time festivals. Exist in any country during the season and you quickly pick up on the local traditional songs and realize there’s many of the same just translated though time.
Christmas is celebrated in basically every country on earth in some fashion. It has different names or variations, but many of the older songs and traditions remain intact for the most part.
If I recall India’s variation of the holiday is called the bada din.
Winter festivals are absurdly common in every culture and thanks to the British Christmas has basically absorbed or been absorbed into damn well near all of them.
Hell that’s part of the reason some people say it should be Xmas not Christmas. Because really that’s what it is, a generic religious, sacred or otherwise noteworthy festival.
X denotes just how wide spread and all encompassing it has become.
Xmas is one of the few celebrations that nearly every human on this planet all collectively engage with. It’s one of the only unifying days we all agree to be nice to each other.
American, Chinese, Indian, Brazilian, Australian, Taiwanese, Peruvian, Japanese, you name it and they have a version of Xmas be it straight Christmas or a local version of it.
Be it a simple holiday, a national festival or just a simple religious observation.
It’s one of the only good things to have ever come from the age of empire and conquest.
How dare you make a Christmas joke without first asking if they are a white strait Christian male American! /s
You’re either trolling / baiting or retarded, no in between. Who tf in America doesn’t know Jingle Bells
This is the type of shit that needs to die as we approach “Woke 2.0” as leftist ideas are gaining momentum again. It’s so fucking unhelpful and useless. Glad you’re being downvoted.
I want healthcare, affordable housing, and BOTH of the people on this app to be paid a wage that allows them to thrive from their labor.
This person attempted to make a joke and failed. That’s it. You don’t need to say this shit. It doesn’t help anyone but yourself. I don’t care if every white person is cringe. I care that every worker is able to thrive. You need to purge this radlib shit from your brain.
It’s like if someone attempted to make a joke related to Star Wars and it failed. A lot of people know Star Wars. But a lot of people don’t. That is all this is the equivalent of. Stop trying to white knight every conversation. People can’t stand you. Seriously. Rethink what purpose you’re actually serving with this type of criticism.
Oh yeah, no one ever got popular or suddenly culturally relevant arguing about this shit. My comment isn’t the mkst replied to here. It’s best if there’s no debate on Lemmy, arguing doesn’t drive people to interact. No Lemmy should be a place of quiet and empty agreement or reflection.
Good job being the most correct on the Internet.
Your answer to what I said is that people got popular being radlibs on the internet?
Like, this is what lack of reading does to a mother fucker. When I asked you to reflect on what purpose your commentary actually serves all you could think about was individuals getting popular? That says a lot. Just hyper individualistic world view.
I wasnt stopping debate. We are literally discussing it right now. I was telling you you’re comments were useless and borderline harmful to any momentum to a leftward shift.
You seem more concerned about woke scolding people than actually looking to make improvements in material change for the groups you supposedly are defending here.
Again, absolute radlib substanceless dribble. I think you’re beyond helping. But I’m glad to see people aren’t falling for this bullshit anymore. You’re not a leftist. You’re a right winger. I hope you can understand that.
I can see things are somewhat escalated here and I really hate to be that guy but…
I think you mean “your”.
I left it just for you to correct. Merry Christmas
You must be fun at parties
They’re making a cultural reference to (most likely) the culture of the place they’re both living in. It’s fair game.
Not defending the other dude but how is the driver making a cultural reference?
Not the Dasher, that’s cause they work for DoorDash and that’s what the company likes to call them.
Yeah, I just meant the recipient was making a cultural reference. The comment that I replied to complained about a white person making a comment specific to their own culture. Ironically, the person who wrote that comment was arguably being more culturally insensitive by assuming that the DoorDasher wouldn’t understand a cultural reference
Ah I see that now. Think I misread it.
I expect the first ‘they’ otp used in their message is the singular they.
Yeah, I can’t wait until questions about Rudolf and the One horse open sleigh are on the citizenship test (everyone knkws that just by living here right?)… Who knows, maybe you’re right and that question is already on the citizenship test?
You don’t need to know cultural trivia to become a citizen. Especially not all of it. But when a person is living somewhere (which you don’t need to be a citizen to do), that person tends to be exposed to the culture.
As well, this could just be someone familiar with the culture who missed a pun because they’re thinking about work.
I’m not sure what caused you to get so worked up about this. The joke is perfectly reasonable to make, and there’s the chance that the Dasher learned a bit of cultural trivia thanks to this joke. Or they learned that they missed a pun and may get to have a laugh about it in hindsight. There’s no harm or foul here.
Ahh yes, throw away lines and not giving a shit about “karma” sorry, I mean “Lemmy community care points”
…and you’re right, there’s no harm in food apps and hoping gig workers enjoy my Christmas jokes. I’m helping this new economy 💪
I’m a fucking saint.
I’m sorry that this is how you’re choosing to spend your Christmas. Or your Boxing Day as the case may be.
If you don’t celebrate those, I’m still sorry that you’re choosing to spend your time this way.
Assuming they are Hindu it would be their bada din! Xmas has local versions in basically every country on earth. It’s one of the only holidays that basically every human on this planet celebrates. Xmas is kind of turned into an amalgamation of every winter festival. Every country that’s ever been touched by empire has ever had.
One of the really good things to ever come out of that era. Started kind of bad but with time it’s allowed everyone to have a unified single holiday that we can all agree to be good to each other on while also giving everyone the ability to make it their own.
It’s why it should be Xmas not Christmas. Because everyone can enjoy a mas.
-Classic fuckin internet comment. Very original. Good arguing. “I’ll shame them into winning, I’ll go after the exact same activity I’m doing”
You’re so clever! \s
You’re missing the whole plot, it doesn’t have to always be an argument. It could be just a conversation, and people can enjoy things.
Yeah not today bucko
I’m actually starting to wonder if they’ve got a bot going on their account now. It just seems to be giving generic “angry internet replies” to every comment that replies to it, now
Your approach would have you assume this potential brown person doesn’t understand cultural norms therefore you must treat them differently than you’d treat others due to their ethnicity. That doesnt sound very inclusive to me.
Fun fact they have bada den which is Christmas… Basically every country has their own version and they all come from the some amalgam of winter festivals.
Thanks British empire!
I’ve paid a tech company to get an underpaid worker to bring me fast food on Christmas… In what fucking mad universe is that about inclusion?
Your comment comes down to “But they will love my witty banter and extra time on their phone”.
…Congrats.
Shitty jobs are worked by all kinds of people, and all of those kinds of people I’ve met while working shitty jobs appreciate a good laugh and break from the monotony of the shitty job.
Bah humbug lookin ass
Ahh yeah, Christmas related jokes, “a good laugh”. They WILL enjoy your banter and the extra phone time.
I like how in the face of literally everyone you’ve interacted with telling you that you’re wrong and confirming it, you’ve decided tripling down is still the play.
Never change, friend, it will work eventually.
I’m just proud we’ve moved past this. Lemmy is largely left leaning in my experience. And it’s nice to see radlibs getting dunked on. Means we’ve purged a lot this useless woke scolding performative garbage.
By this point in time most radlibs have shifted to be reactionaries. The kind of people calling ICE on their undocumented neighbors because they found out someone in their family voted for Trump.
This idiots comments actually ended up making me positive for the future; just from the reactions to them.
That is insane, yeah I’m glad too. I really do hope we can turn this ship around, I’ve been stressing the fuck out about all this since forever now and I too hope that all this small shit that doesn’t have consequence gets removed from the conversation. I’m glad it’s happening here, I just hope it sticks on a larger scale.
2026 resolution, stop letting text on a screen upset you
That’s a children’s rhyme, not a realistic or remotely healthy attitude. (Not that I agree with the person you’re responding to either)
Glad you’ve got goals for 2026.
Do you need a hug? I’m not offering I’m just curious.
Darling, everyone on Lemmy is fucking curious.
Weirdo
Im sorry you are the way you are.
Must be hard to find joy in life :(
Thanks.
Your baseline assumption here is that interaction with another person is burdensome. Most people don’t feel that way, and if they do, they probably don’t work in the service industry.
So, presuming the doordasher finds human interaction to be neutral (neither good nor bad), and understanding that the customer is not making the joke at the expenses of the door dasher, I fail to see how this is a problem, even if the dasher doesn’t get it. Someone trying to share a joke with you, even if you don’t get it, is usually perceived as friendly.
Dude I make cultural references all the time. I don’t really give a shit if the recipient gets it 100% of the time. A 20% hit rate is enough for me, because it’s amusing when a stranger picks up on my reference to The Office or Arrested Development or I Think You Should Leave or whatever. And if my reference misses, whatever. I’m just having fun with my interactions with others. If they have fun, too, great. If not, too bad, I was still entertained myself.
I bet you’re fun at parties
Who’d invite this guy to parties?
I love you. You’re one of my favorite ps2 games. But relax. It’s probably not even a real interaction.
Agreed.