Traditional initiation is a rite of passage into manhood for young males that is practiced by various ethnic groups in Africa, including parts of South Africa. Among them are the Xhosa, Ndebele, Sotho and Venda communities.
I don’t think “healthy” describes the loss of sensitivity, slight deformity, scars, and unease I have about mine. And mine was done for medical reasons when there were other alternatives. Mutilation does feel more accurate.
There is zero biological reason to remove foreskin. It’s objectively mutilation.
I’m circumsized. I did not give anyone permission to remove a part of my penis that was perfectly healthy when I was an infant and could not consent. I want you to quantify to me how I was not done wrong, and how my bodily autonomy was not violated. I understand that isn’t the case in the article, but it’s the perfect example for you to argue.
Also, just because a culture or religion does something doesn’t mean I have to support it, and it definitely doesn’t make me a bigot to oppose it. Iran will stone women to death under Sharia Law. Am I a bigot for saying stoning women is bad?
It almost completely prevents balanitis in young boys, and has long term benefits in preventing other types of infections later in life. And that’s on top of the fact that it’s simply easier to keep clean, in general.
Equating that to stoning a woman under Sharia Law, is absurd and intellectually dishonest. Which is why making those types of comparisons is a form of bigotry. You are making ridiculous generalizations in order to denigrate other people.
They’re always going on about cleaning in and behind the ears. Let’s be honest here. Ears are pretty ugly and you don’t need them to hear. You can prevent so many infections because cutting off the ear makes it easier to clean the ear canal.
The WHO doean’t support this, and I’ve lived and worked in medicine all over Africa. You teach them and support them with better self-care, not encouraging genital mutilation. No matter how much shit you sling at the wind, you can literally accomplish this by educating people to wash their dicks.
Refute my challenge you ignored. I never consented to being circumsized and I was circumsized for the same reason. Justify to me how my bodily autonomly wasn’t violated as a baby when someone cut off a piece of my penis.
I want to hear your armchair quarterback mental gymnastic bullshit since we’re actively trying to teach people all over Weat Africa to just wash your dick.
You know how I know you don’t actually work in medicine? Because you’re using the term “mutilation” to describe a relatively benign medical procedure. Regardless of whether or not you view it as necessary…at the very least, you should know what that word actually implies…and you would know that it doesn’t apply.
According to your first paragraph, we should just remove the pinky finger from all children because it just gets in the way, traps bacteria under the fingernail, and might get caught in a car door someday.
So, would you then describe all forms of surgery as “mutilation”? Or tattoos? Pierced ears? Hair cuts? They all fit the definition, as long as you see them as “harmful” or “destructive”.
What makes the term derogatory is its inherently negative context. Applying it to hundreds of millions of people, is equally harmful and negative. That’s what makes it a form of bigotry. You are making a broadly generalized, inherently negative assertion about an entire demographic.
You don’t have a moral leg to stand on; just surface reactionary parodies of anticolonial thought. You’re on the Canadian server so I’m gonna assume this isn’t personal. You aren’t displaying a concrete knowledge of this culture, so I’m going to assume this isn’t personal. And of course: that culture’s not gonna fuck you.
What makes a difference is this is the non-consensual removal of a piece of the penis that has something like 30% of the total nerve endings in your entire dick, from an infant. It’s not okay to pierce baby’s ears either, or give them tattoos moron.
Adults can mutilate their dicks all they want. I’m completely in favor of 100% body autonomy for adults.
You support mutilating babies. Not too long ago, it was generally acceptable to rape kids as well, and that is horrific to think about for most of us now. None consensual baby circumcision will be just as disgusting and barbaric in the future, I’m sure of it.
It’s not bigotry to be opposed to genital mutilation.
Using the term “mutilation” to describe someone’s perfectly healthy penis, is a form of bigotry.
As someone who is perfectly comfortable with his circumcized penis: it’s absolutely mutilation.
Agreed. My parents had me snipped. When I asked why it was basically “well everyone was doing it.”
My son is intact and can make his own decision about it when he’s older.
I don’t think “healthy” describes the loss of sensitivity, slight deformity, scars, and unease I have about mine. And mine was done for medical reasons when there were other alternatives. Mutilation does feel more accurate.
There is zero biological reason to remove foreskin. It’s objectively mutilation.
I’m circumsized. I did not give anyone permission to remove a part of my penis that was perfectly healthy when I was an infant and could not consent. I want you to quantify to me how I was not done wrong, and how my bodily autonomy was not violated. I understand that isn’t the case in the article, but it’s the perfect example for you to argue.
Also, just because a culture or religion does something doesn’t mean I have to support it, and it definitely doesn’t make me a bigot to oppose it. Iran will stone women to death under Sharia Law. Am I a bigot for saying stoning women is bad?
Infant genital mutilation is disgusting and I think it’s about time it’s made illegal around the world. I’m sorry about your penis.
It almost completely prevents balanitis in young boys, and has long term benefits in preventing other types of infections later in life. And that’s on top of the fact that it’s simply easier to keep clean, in general.
Equating that to stoning a woman under Sharia Law, is absurd and intellectually dishonest. Which is why making those types of comparisons is a form of bigotry. You are making ridiculous generalizations in order to denigrate other people.
You know what’s hard to keep clean? An open wound on your dick. It’s why these 41 people are dead.
‘Easier to keep clean’.
So what other body modification should we do to infants to make them cleaner?
They’re always going on about cleaning in and behind the ears. Let’s be honest here. Ears are pretty ugly and you don’t need them to hear. You can prevent so many infections because cutting off the ear makes it easier to clean the ear canal.
infant Earectomy infection study
It’s a joke
Well then, ears it is!
The WHO doean’t support this, and I’ve lived and worked in medicine all over Africa. You teach them and support them with better self-care, not encouraging genital mutilation. No matter how much shit you sling at the wind, you can literally accomplish this by educating people to wash their dicks.
Refute my challenge you ignored. I never consented to being circumsized and I was circumsized for the same reason. Justify to me how my bodily autonomly wasn’t violated as a baby when someone cut off a piece of my penis.
I want to hear your armchair quarterback mental gymnastic bullshit since we’re actively trying to teach people all over Weat Africa to just wash your dick.
You know how I know you don’t actually work in medicine? Because you’re using the term “mutilation” to describe a relatively benign medical procedure. Regardless of whether or not you view it as necessary…at the very least, you should know what that word actually implies…and you would know that it doesn’t apply.
Apparently you either don’t understand English or you’re just angry that you have a mutilated dick.
Hey, I’d be angry too, if someone had mutilated my penis.
According to your first paragraph, we should just remove the pinky finger from all children because it just gets in the way, traps bacteria under the fingernail, and might get caught in a car door someday.
Plural mutilations
Synonyms of mutilation
1
: an act or instance of destroying, removing, or severely damaging a limb or other body part of a person or animal
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mutilation
Circumcision is literally a textbook example of the word multilation
So, would you then describe all forms of surgery as “mutilation”? Or tattoos? Pierced ears? Hair cuts? They all fit the definition, as long as you see them as “harmful” or “destructive”.
What makes the term derogatory is its inherently negative context. Applying it to hundreds of millions of people, is equally harmful and negative. That’s what makes it a form of bigotry. You are making a broadly generalized, inherently negative assertion about an entire demographic.
You don’t have a moral leg to stand on; just surface reactionary parodies of anticolonial thought. You’re on the Canadian server so I’m gonna assume this isn’t personal. You aren’t displaying a concrete knowledge of this culture, so I’m going to assume this isn’t personal. And of course: that culture’s not gonna fuck you.
You can stop.
What makes a difference is this is the non-consensual removal of a piece of the penis that has something like 30% of the total nerve endings in your entire dick, from an infant. It’s not okay to pierce baby’s ears either, or give them tattoos moron.
Adults can mutilate their dicks all they want. I’m completely in favor of 100% body autonomy for adults.
You support mutilating babies. Not too long ago, it was generally acceptable to rape kids as well, and that is horrific to think about for most of us now. None consensual baby circumcision will be just as disgusting and barbaric in the future, I’m sure of it.
Here we go with the rampant misinformation. Always relying on bullshit to make a point that doesn’t exist.
Was and in cities like Atlanta and London its still considered acceptable to rape children. How dare you criticize the practice.
It’s a tradition!
Tattoos? Yes
Pierced ears? Yes
Hair cuts? No
HTH