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    From your source:

    The Monroe Doctrine is a United States foreign policy position that opposes European colonialism in the Western Hemisphere. It holds that any intervention in the political affairs of the Americas by foreign powers is a potentially hostile act against the United States. The doctrine was central to American grand strategy in the 20th century.

    President James Monroe first articulated the doctrine on December 2, 1823, during his seventh annual State of the Union Address to Congress (though it was not named after him until 1850). At the time, nearly all Spanish colonies in the Americas had either achieved or were close to independence. Monroe asserted that the New World and the Old World were to remain distinctly separate spheres of influence, and thus further efforts by European powers to control or influence sovereign states in the region would be viewed as a threat to U.S. security. In turn, the United States would recognize and not interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal affairs of European countries.

    Honestly I think that is far too generous a description for Monroe, but it blatantly is Anti-Imperialist as described in that text.

    I acknowledge the CIA have done horrible things in South America, but the USA has not forcefully consumed more land since the 1850s, ignoring small island nations caught in disputes such as the USA Guano Islands Act much of which was later reclaimed by the UK, and the lands taken control over during WWII after the Dai Nippon Empire had colonized them and then lost grounds during said war.

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      It might have originated as such, but in practice it defined a sphere of influence where America had a carte blanche to do whatever it wanted to enforce its interests. and would eventually become a form of unilateral vassalization, as seen from nonsense like the Olney interpretation and the Roosevelt corollary.

      He extended the meaning of the Monroe Doctrine, which had previously stated merely that the Western Hemisphere was closed to additional European colonization: "Today the United States is practically sovereign on this continent and its fiat is law upon the subjects to which it confines its interposition…[1]

      Sounds like an empire if I’ve ever seen one.

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          Haiti? Hawaii? Honduras? Philippines? All this shit? The US went from 37 states after the civil war to 50 less than a century later. Surely you could’ve thought of a few examples yourself.

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                    Glad to know that if you die from Trump’s brutalist fascism it won’t matter because it was in the past.

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                You can just admit you’re wrong you know. Focusing on the territorial expansion, absolute laughable nonsense btw when talking about one of the largest nations to ever exist, instead of the absolute ruler that is technically required just makes you look willfully ignorant.

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                  An empire is an empire and the USA is not currently, the majority in the USA want to keep it that way and are working hard to stop this madness.

                  The reason I feel the need to hardline on this issue is because those fucking Tankies have been calling the USA an empire for decades as an attempt to damage their reputation and normalize the actions of eastern autocrats.

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                    As they say, fascism is imperialism turned inwards and the slow learners in the room are about to find out that conquered subjects don’t particularly care about the technicalities of the power sharing arrangements of the oligarchs that own them when they talk about the sins of empire.

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            It’s history that proves him wrong, what did you expect from the man who thinks .world is now infected with Tankies on the admin level.

            The United States has invaded more countries than anyone else. And he doesn’t like that it’s being called out.

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              The United States has invaded more countries than anyone else.

              Britain would like a word…

              (Or do you think the folks they invaded don’t count because their societies weren’t organized in the white definition of “countries?”)

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            Haiti is not a US Territory. Philippines is not a US Territory. Honduras is not a US Territory.

            Hawaii became a territory in 1900 and a state in 1959.

            You see how if the US were an Empire, like China or the USSR, then they might have actually colonized somebody this century, right?

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            As of this moment, as I type this comment, none of Venezuelan land has been seized. It isn’t chess where you can extract a leader and suddenly the war ends.

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                What Trump did was wrong, and my sincerest wish is that he gets flogged for it, but the USA is not currently an Empire.