I’ve done full manual installs and archinstall installs of mainline arch and I would argue endevouros is arch. It’s more than just “arch based” it’s literally a basic arch install with calamaris. It updates from official arch repos and arch kernal ect.
While I only tell people I use endevouros I do not understand why anyone cares if an endevouros user says they use arch lol. What is the difference between that and something like archinstall besides slightly easier btrfs configs?
I’d consider CatchyOS to be in the arch based category but not EndevourOS
I’ve done full manual installs and archinstall installs of mainline arch and I would argue endevouros is arch
If I said I had just installed Arch and someone found out that i had installed EndevourOS I would consider that lying. To me Endevour has a completely different philosophy and culture than Arch. Its preconfigured to someone elses liking which is basically the complete opposite of Arch. They’re different in every way except sharing the same packages which a ton of distros do. If EndevourOS isnt its own distro then a ton of distros get erased and linux becomes instantly less diverse.
I do not understand why anyone cares if an endevouros user says they use arch lol
Well I agree it would be weird for someone to get upset over it I think having a baseline care for people to be truthful and accurate is perfectly understandable. Lying to me means there is something wrong like a person is trying to cover for something. I dont want people to think they should be embarrassed for saying they use endevour and feel pressured to say they use arch instead. Plus I would say arch being arch is an iconic part of linux culture and ought to be preserved.
I think you just need to stop being elitist about it.
Who cares? Honestly - who cares how someone installed their OS? We should be doing everything to get people to switch to Linux (of any flavour), but instead dudes like you go “oh, you have XYZ OS? Well, that’s not really Arch, is it?” What even is the point?
Its not being elitist. I dont consider arch to be hard to install or maintain or anything. Its just cringe that people want to tell people that they use arch when they dont use arch. It means they are ashamed of the distro they run.
If you want to go around telling people you use arch btw while on mint themed like arch thats fine but its not elitist to find that behavior cringe.
See? You are being elitist. Your first thought is that they hope to elevate themselves somehow by saying they use Arch.
When they might just not be bothered (or don’t know) to say “Arch-based”. Because ultimately, there’s no difference. When you’re troubleshooting packages, or whatever, there’s no functional difference between saying “It’s Arch” and “It’s WhateverTheFuck OS (Arch-based)”. The latter just takes more time to type out.
If you want to go around telling people you use arch
See this? You think people go around telling other what distro they’re using. You are elitist. It’s just an OS, bro.
If your standard for being an elitist is that people can be bothered saying/knowing their distro’s name then the bar is on the floor and the criticism is worthless. I’m not talking about people who say to their non-linux using friends that they use arch because its simple and recognizable. I’m talking about linux users saying they use arch to other linux users who would know endevour or cachy.
When you’re troubleshooting packages, or whatever, there’s no functional difference between saying “It’s Arch” and “It’s WhateverTheFuck OS (Arch-based)”
This is just wrong. Its terrible etiquette to go on the arch forum and ask for help and not mention that you’re on cachyOS? Arch forum etiquette expects users to mention if they used arch install.
You think people go around telling other what distro they’re using. You are elitist. It’s just an OS, bro.
You’re trolling, no one can be this dumb. We’re in a community dedicated to an OS talking about people have an OS as their hobby/interest and anyone thats been in this community for more than 5 mins would see that telling other people what distro you use is extremely common. You probably think im an eltist because i dont call this place reddit when someone asks what im browsing.
If your standard for being an elitist is that people can be bothered saying/knowing their distro’s name then the bar is on the floor and the criticism is worthless.
Maybe try re-reading what I wrote?
The standard is “assuming using a specific distro’s name makes them better somehow”, because you think that someone could be ashamed of admitting what distro they’re actually using.
This is just wrong. Its terrible etiquette to go on the arch forum and ask for help and not mention that you’re on cachyOS?
Again, re-read what I wrote. I didn’t say “troubleshooting”, I said “troubleshooting packages”. CachyOS uses pacman, and Cachy users install stuff from AUR exactly the same as Arch-Arch users.
You probably think im an eltist because i dont call this place reddit when someone asks what im browsing.
If this place used Reddit’s infrastructure, and was essentially a skin with a couple of extensions added on top, and if you were discussing generic social-media themes, yeah, it wouldn’t be a problem to call it Reddit.
But since Lemmy is none of that, it would make no sense, it’s fundamentally different.
That’s a good point, and I’d have to partly agree with it being lying. But only if I’m talking to arch enthusiasts or well versed linux enthusiasts.
If I’m talking with someone that only knows a few distro names saying you use arch gets what you are using across without having to explain what EndevourOS is. I don’t think it should be lumped in with other arch based distros that use their own repos either. The default config being so close to archinstall is one of the main reasons I switched
If I’m talking with someone that only knows a few distro names saying you use arch gets what you are using across without having to explain what EndevourOS is.
Yes I can agree with someone doing this and I wouldnt find that cringe.
I’ve done full manual installs and archinstall installs of mainline arch and I would argue endevouros is arch. It’s more than just “arch based” it’s literally a basic arch install with calamaris. It updates from official arch repos and arch kernal ect.
While I only tell people I use endevouros I do not understand why anyone cares if an endevouros user says they use arch lol. What is the difference between that and something like archinstall besides slightly easier btrfs configs?
I’d consider CatchyOS to be in the arch based category but not EndevourOS
If I said I had just installed Arch and someone found out that i had installed EndevourOS I would consider that lying. To me Endevour has a completely different philosophy and culture than Arch. Its preconfigured to someone elses liking which is basically the complete opposite of Arch. They’re different in every way except sharing the same packages which a ton of distros do. If EndevourOS isnt its own distro then a ton of distros get erased and linux becomes instantly less diverse.
Well I agree it would be weird for someone to get upset over it I think having a baseline care for people to be truthful and accurate is perfectly understandable. Lying to me means there is something wrong like a person is trying to cover for something. I dont want people to think they should be embarrassed for saying they use endevour and feel pressured to say they use arch instead. Plus I would say arch being arch is an iconic part of linux culture and ought to be preserved.
I think you just need to stop being elitist about it.
Who cares? Honestly - who cares how someone installed their OS? We should be doing everything to get people to switch to Linux (of any flavour), but instead dudes like you go “oh, you have XYZ OS? Well, that’s not really Arch, is it?” What even is the point?
Its not being elitist. I dont consider arch to be hard to install or maintain or anything. Its just cringe that people want to tell people that they use arch when they dont use arch. It means they are ashamed of the distro they run.
If you want to go around telling people you use arch btw while on mint themed like arch thats fine but its not elitist to find that behavior cringe.
See? You are being elitist. Your first thought is that they hope to elevate themselves somehow by saying they use Arch.
When they might just not be bothered (or don’t know) to say “Arch-based”. Because ultimately, there’s no difference. When you’re troubleshooting packages, or whatever, there’s no functional difference between saying “It’s Arch” and “It’s WhateverTheFuck OS (Arch-based)”. The latter just takes more time to type out.
See this? You think people go around telling other what distro they’re using. You are elitist. It’s just an OS, bro.
If your standard for being an elitist is that people can be bothered saying/knowing their distro’s name then the bar is on the floor and the criticism is worthless. I’m not talking about people who say to their non-linux using friends that they use arch because its simple and recognizable. I’m talking about linux users saying they use arch to other linux users who would know endevour or cachy.
This is just wrong. Its terrible etiquette to go on the arch forum and ask for help and not mention that you’re on cachyOS? Arch forum etiquette expects users to mention if they used arch install.
You’re trolling, no one can be this dumb. We’re in a community dedicated to an OS talking about people have an OS as their hobby/interest and anyone thats been in this community for more than 5 mins would see that telling other people what distro you use is extremely common. You probably think im an eltist because i dont call this place reddit when someone asks what im browsing.
Maybe try re-reading what I wrote?
The standard is “assuming using a specific distro’s name makes them better somehow”, because you think that someone could be ashamed of admitting what distro they’re actually using.
Again, re-read what I wrote. I didn’t say “troubleshooting”, I said “troubleshooting packages”. CachyOS uses pacman, and Cachy users install stuff from AUR exactly the same as Arch-Arch users.
If this place used Reddit’s infrastructure, and was essentially a skin with a couple of extensions added on top, and if you were discussing generic social-media themes, yeah, it wouldn’t be a problem to call it Reddit.
But since Lemmy is none of that, it would make no sense, it’s fundamentally different.
That’s a good point, and I’d have to partly agree with it being lying. But only if I’m talking to arch enthusiasts or well versed linux enthusiasts.
If I’m talking with someone that only knows a few distro names saying you use arch gets what you are using across without having to explain what EndevourOS is. I don’t think it should be lumped in with other arch based distros that use their own repos either. The default config being so close to archinstall is one of the main reasons I switched
Yes I can agree with someone doing this and I wouldnt find that cringe.