Hi! Thanks for reading.

I’m sure all of us Linux users revel in the countless articles coming out about the enshittification of Windows, reporting on how Microslop is utilizing more and more vibe coding, transforming PCs into rental clients, and more.

While I’m happy to call myself a Kubuntu-ist, many of my family members still daily drive Windows 11 on their PCs. I can only imagine how their UX is declining day over day.

This makes me want them to witness the freedom of Linux!

So, what are your easiest ways to set up dual boot between W11 and your favorite distro?

Seems like a GUI would be best for non-tech savvy people. Something like rEFInd or Clover (I come from the Steam Deck dual boot world, and am somewhat familiar with this one).

Are there any risks with changing the default Windows Boot Manager? I’ve heard that Windows updates can mess things up, but that if you install Windows first, that can save some headache down the road.

Bonus if you have a favorite distro for non-tech savvy people that needs minimal configuration!

  • monovergent@lemmy.ml
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    8 hours ago

    Linux Mint is your best bet. Intuitive for new users without any flashy features to get in the way.

    All said, temper your expectations. I did this for a couple of my folks and the Linux partition just sat untouched until I next visited (and presumably thereafter). Despite updates for their existing Windows 10 ending. For an unfortunate majority of people, they don’t really care until their browser stops rendering pages, no matter how you proselytize Linux.

    on second thought, don't even dual boot. A separate computer would have fared better. But if you must dual-boot...

    No personal experience on how to make the dual-boot graphical, but that’s a very good idea. I’ve witnessed computer science graduates struggle to get their computer to boot from a USB stick.

    Separate disk because that eliminates interference with the Windows Boot Manager. More like the other way around since Windows tends to mess with GRUB after certain updates if it’s on the same disk. Nearly every concern with whether to install Windows or Linux first arises from trying to dual-boot on the same disk. And if anything goes wrong, you can just revert by unplugging the Linux disk instead of painstakingly reconstructing a broken Windows install.

    If you are passionate enough and have some money to spare, get a used laptop (240 GB SSD, 8GB of RAM, 3rd Gen i5 at a minimum), preferably enterprise-grade (Latitude, ProBook, ThinkPad), clean it up, and pop Linux Mint onto it. Your folks can then experience Linux at their leisure, side-by-side with their existing machine at no risk. No fussing with boot order menus, which I have seen confuse computer science graduates.

    • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
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      8 hours ago

      Really good pieces of advice. Thanks!

      I’ve definitely heard horror stories from people on Lemmy talking about how Windows fucked up their PC, as much as they tried to quarantine it like the pathogen it is.

      So just from your comment, here are my ideas from best to worst:

      1. Gift them new laptops with Linux Mint pre-loaded (as well as their favorite browser, and possibly LibreOffice).

      2. If they have a desktop, gift them second HDD/SSD with the above.

      3. If they have a laptop, gift them external SSD with the above.

      4. Gift them a USB with the above.

      5. Set up GUI dual boot between W11 and Mint.

      I know it’s difficult to have the best of both worlds between Windows and Linux. I’m stubborn though, and don’t want them to suffer under Microslop so long as the company keeps its current trajectory.

      We as Linux advocates need to find ways to make it easier for others to onboard. Not seeing a lot of that sentiment in the comments (excluding you ofc).