Lenin, Stalin, Mao I get. Marx? Lenin Stalin and Mao like to use his name while rejecting his philosophy. So it seems odd to lump him with them. But then I suppose it’s been a common thing in many western countries forever.
Can you elaborate on how Marxist-Leninists “use Marx’s name while rejecting his philosophy?” Lenin’s major advances on Marxism include analyzing imperialism as a higher stage of capitalism, something Marx lived to see only the very beginnings of, as well as organizational theory. Lenin represented a return to Marx, considering the Second International had at that point vulgarized Marx into a reformist. What part of Marxism does Marxism-Leninism reject? You specifically mention philosophy, but Marxism-Leninism affirms dialectical materialism, so I assume you mean something else.
Further, Marxism-Leninism is largely an ideology practiced in the global south, not so much the global north. Perhaps I’m misreading you, but you make it seem as though it’s largely western, and that this is why it “rejects” Marx. More common in the west are Trotskyists, who still uphold Lenin, or Eurocomms, who also uphold Lenin. The number of Marxists that reject Lenin, even if they disagree with AES countries, is extremely small, period, global north or south.
Hey dude I just have to say that even though I’m more sympathetic to anarchosynicalist thought one of the high points of lemmy for me atm is popping into threads and seeing you (extremely charitably) demolish people who clearly haven’t ever engaged with much literature but have strong opinons on it.
Cheers, people like you help us all hone our thoughts.
Thanks, I appreciate it! I genuinely am not trying to demolish anyone, though, I’d prefer if people could cooperatively build knowledge together. The idea of “debate” is so thoroughly ingrained in English-speaking spaces, but it isn’t actually a very effective tool for learning, on either side. That’s more the reason I’m charitable, I’d rather not have a debate, to be honest, even if that’s what I used to do a lot of back in my more lib Reddit days.
What? We have commie leaders? Who? Where?
Oh I mean like Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc. The list is long and contentious. Take your pick, theres no wrong answers for my purposes here.
Edit: let’s play a fun game, reply with who i left out. I bet I left your favorite out.
Grail?
New entry, points to you for naming yourself
Thank you. Feel free to read My manifesto if you want to see how the next generation of communist thought differs from the previous
Kropotkin!
New entry! That’s 1 point to nylo
Lenin, Stalin, Mao I get. Marx? Lenin Stalin and Mao like to use his name while rejecting his philosophy. So it seems odd to lump him with them. But then I suppose it’s been a common thing in many western countries forever.
Can you elaborate on how Marxist-Leninists “use Marx’s name while rejecting his philosophy?” Lenin’s major advances on Marxism include analyzing imperialism as a higher stage of capitalism, something Marx lived to see only the very beginnings of, as well as organizational theory. Lenin represented a return to Marx, considering the Second International had at that point vulgarized Marx into a reformist. What part of Marxism does Marxism-Leninism reject? You specifically mention philosophy, but Marxism-Leninism affirms dialectical materialism, so I assume you mean something else.
Further, Marxism-Leninism is largely an ideology practiced in the global south, not so much the global north. Perhaps I’m misreading you, but you make it seem as though it’s largely western, and that this is why it “rejects” Marx. More common in the west are Trotskyists, who still uphold Lenin, or Eurocomms, who also uphold Lenin. The number of Marxists that reject Lenin, even if they disagree with AES countries, is extremely small, period, global north or south.
Hey dude I just have to say that even though I’m more sympathetic to anarchosynicalist thought one of the high points of lemmy for me atm is popping into threads and seeing you (extremely charitably) demolish people who clearly haven’t ever engaged with much literature but have strong opinons on it.
Cheers, people like you help us all hone our thoughts.
Thanks, I appreciate it! I genuinely am not trying to demolish anyone, though, I’d prefer if people could cooperatively build knowledge together. The idea of “debate” is so thoroughly ingrained in English-speaking spaces, but it isn’t actually a very effective tool for learning, on either side. That’s more the reason I’m charitable, I’d rather not have a debate, to be honest, even if that’s what I used to do a lot of back in my more lib Reddit days.
Well there you go out charitableing me <3
Nah, you were charitable first!
Oh nice try but you did not add any new names to the list, no points to you
Heh fair enough