Every time some uneducated schlub on the internet says “They were built by slaves” or “they were built by happy, well-fed capitalists” an actual archeologists’ eye twitches and we all get stupider. They’re not accurate descriptions either way. Learn more.
Yeah the best term that would fit would be peasant or serf but even that feels wrong. Problem is ancient Egypt existed so long ago that a lot of their social structures are a bit alien at this point to the average person, just because it was so damned early in history. Its basically like comparing the stem mammals to modern mammals, real close and lots of similarities but still quite different.
Problem is ancient Egypt existed so long ago that a lot of their social structures are a bit alien at this point to the average person
100% this, we wouldn’t recognize the attitudes and social systems, so while it’s true there was a lot of injustice and suffering in early history, (I can point anyone at mass graves with butchering marks on the bones if people really want to know how bad things were) it’s not appropriate to try to use the building of the pyramids as an example of well, anything really. All we know is that the people were paid a kind of ration system, maybe more. Maybe it was more complicated than that, but they also weren’t chained and whipped like we imagine slavery in other periods.
I think it makes people uncomfortable because we want to point to any kind of indentured servitude with moral absolutism. And big, giant stone monoliths are great things to point at to use as examples of human hubris. But most of the people who feel anything about it couldn’t connect with social attitudes and cultural norms of the 1980’s much less four-thousand-fucking-years ago.
It was a vastly better situation than a lot of wandering tribes had it back then.
We can analyze history without trying to judge it by modern ideals or values, it’s a lot better that way, trust me. You learn more.
Isn’t it like working for Amazon today?
You work for some pay and all the value goes to the rich person on top.
I was just responding to someone that said they weren’t slaves when in reality they absolutely were.
that’s oversimplifying a complex area of history.
Every time some uneducated schlub on the internet says “They were built by slaves” or “they were built by happy, well-fed capitalists” an actual archeologists’ eye twitches and we all get stupider. They’re not accurate descriptions either way. Learn more.
Yeah the best term that would fit would be peasant or serf but even that feels wrong. Problem is ancient Egypt existed so long ago that a lot of their social structures are a bit alien at this point to the average person, just because it was so damned early in history. Its basically like comparing the stem mammals to modern mammals, real close and lots of similarities but still quite different.
100% this, we wouldn’t recognize the attitudes and social systems, so while it’s true there was a lot of injustice and suffering in early history, (I can point anyone at mass graves with butchering marks on the bones if people really want to know how bad things were) it’s not appropriate to try to use the building of the pyramids as an example of well, anything really. All we know is that the people were paid a kind of ration system, maybe more. Maybe it was more complicated than that, but they also weren’t chained and whipped like we imagine slavery in other periods.
I think it makes people uncomfortable because we want to point to any kind of indentured servitude with moral absolutism. And big, giant stone monoliths are great things to point at to use as examples of human hubris. But most of the people who feel anything about it couldn’t connect with social attitudes and cultural norms of the 1980’s much less four-thousand-fucking-years ago.
The greatest words in science are “I don’t know.”
TL;DR Imperfect but fairish
Conscript is a better term